1 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,259 Being a dad is one [ WHS: subtitle file v2, modified from opensubtitles.org: what.is.a.woman.(2022).eng.1cd.(9942725).zip ] 2 00:00:36,260 --> 00:00:37,940 of the great privileges of my life. 3 00:00:37,941 --> 00:00:42,409 Give my son a BB gun, 4 00:00:42,410 --> 00:00:45,709 and that's just about all the emotional support he needs. 5 00:00:45,710 --> 00:00:47,210 My daughter on the other hand, 6 00:00:48,890 --> 00:00:51,109 I've heard people say that there are no differences 7 00:00:51,110 --> 00:00:55,223 between male and female, those people are idiots. 8 00:00:56,420 --> 00:00:59,119 I'm a husband. I'm a father of four. 9 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,993 I host a talk show. I give speeches. I write books. 10 00:01:03,980 --> 00:01:05,530 I like to make sense of things, 11 00:01:06,650 --> 00:01:09,649 but making sense of females is a whole other matter. 12 00:01:09,650 --> 00:01:11,509 Even astrophysicist, Stephen Hawking, 13 00:01:11,510 --> 00:01:13,729 who could come up with a theory on black holes 14 00:01:13,730 --> 00:01:16,249 was completely dumbfounded by women. 15 00:01:16,250 --> 00:01:19,639 Women, they are a complete mystery. 16 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:20,989 And now our culture is telling us 17 00:01:20,990 --> 00:01:23,779 that the difference is between girls and boys don't matter. 18 00:01:23,780 --> 00:01:25,249 That if you identify as something, 19 00:01:25,250 --> 00:01:27,889 then you are that thing. 20 00:01:27,890 --> 00:01:29,959 How do we help our kids make sense of this 21 00:01:29,960 --> 00:01:32,059 when they're bombarded with conflicting messages 22 00:01:32,060 --> 00:01:33,443 about gender and identity? 23 00:01:34,490 --> 00:01:37,009 Forget trying to figure out women, 24 00:01:37,010 --> 00:01:39,989 the real question is what is a woman? 25 00:01:39,990 --> 00:01:45,619 As you grow your body changes 26 00:01:45,620 --> 00:01:48,169 from that of a young girl to that of woman. 27 00:01:48,170 --> 00:01:50,239 Soon Molly will be a young woman 28 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,723 having dates, going to dances in lovely romantic dresses. 29 00:01:54,770 --> 00:01:56,299 The boys' shoulders are broad 30 00:01:56,300 --> 00:01:59,149 and his body muscular. While the girl's body is more curved. 31 00:01:59,150 --> 00:02:02,299 I'd like to know more about different kinds of hormones. 32 00:02:02,300 --> 00:02:04,219 Presence of these hormones in the blood 33 00:02:04,220 --> 00:02:06,439 brings about many changes in the bodies 34 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,652 of both boys and girls. 35 00:02:11,750 --> 00:02:15,758 Being a woman is one the things I like best about myself. 36 00:02:15,759 --> 00:02:20,759 I think you'll like it too. 37 00:02:32,823 --> 00:02:34,923 I like to come out here to think. 38 00:02:36,650 --> 00:02:38,573 Nature seems to always tell the truth, 39 00:02:39,980 --> 00:02:41,630 even when we don't wanna hear it. 40 00:02:44,780 --> 00:02:48,116 Truth is I'm not very good at fishing. 41 00:02:48,117 --> 00:02:52,759 But what is truth? 42 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:53,760 Is there a truth? 43 00:02:54,770 --> 00:02:56,723 Is this what progress looks like? 44 00:02:57,740 --> 00:02:59,963 Can my boys really become girls? 45 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,363 Do I have four daughters? 46 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,230 Do I now have to pay for four weddings? 47 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,373 Is there a son trapped in my daughter's body? 48 00:03:11,750 --> 00:03:13,150 If so, how do I get him out? 49 00:03:14,810 --> 00:03:16,810 Are any of my kids who they claim to be? 50 00:03:18,103 --> 00:03:20,953 Who are these people? Who am I? 51 00:03:22,833 --> 00:03:24,887 I better see a therapist. ========== xxx therapeut: 52 00:03:24,888 --> 00:03:25,721 In the state of Tennessee, 53 00:03:25,722 --> 00:03:28,039 I'm a licensed marital and family therapist, 54 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,539 which basically means I've been trained up 55 00:03:29,540 --> 00:03:31,789 to think about like systems, family systems, 56 00:03:31,790 --> 00:03:34,519 how we were raised up, how that shapes who we are today. 57 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:35,959 So on your website, quote if you'll, 58 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,339 - if you'll bear with me. - Sure. 59 00:03:37,340 --> 00:03:39,919 Quoting, you say, "I use a combination of approaches 60 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,769 in my therapeutic work, including anti-oppression feminist 61 00:03:42,770 --> 00:03:45,739 and narrative frameworks." "I rely deeply on systems theory 62 00:03:45,740 --> 00:03:47,059 and understanding that individuals 63 00:03:47,060 --> 00:03:49,249 are products of and in dialogue with our surroundings, 64 00:03:49,250 --> 00:03:51,229 including our families, broader culture, workplaces, 65 00:03:51,230 --> 00:03:56,299 nature, and political climates." What does that mean? 66 00:03:56,300 --> 00:04:01,009 Yeah, so thinking about the modalities that I use, 67 00:04:01,010 --> 00:04:04,999 I'm definitely informed by like feminist family therapy 68 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,989 and the ideas that we live in gendered worlds 69 00:04:08,990 --> 00:04:11,089 where there are certain imperatives 70 00:04:11,090 --> 00:04:13,579 that are placed on us about who we are and what we do 71 00:04:13,580 --> 00:04:15,379 based on how we've been gendered. 72 00:04:15,380 --> 00:04:18,529 From the minute I was assigned female, I was told, xx WHS: she was not told, it was implicit in upbringing, culture. 73 00:04:18,530 --> 00:04:19,909 okay, these are the kind of clothing 74 00:04:19,910 --> 00:04:21,646 that you're gonna wear. These are the kind of the, 75 00:04:21,647 --> 00:04:25,309 the type of play that you're gonna engage in as a child. 76 00:04:25,310 --> 00:04:27,379 The path that maybe your life will take 77 00:04:27,380 --> 00:04:29,359 because of social expectations. 78 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:30,905 What do you, what do you mean by assigned female? 79 00:04:30,906 --> 00:04:32,906 Who, who assigns female? 80 00:04:35,060 --> 00:04:38,539 Yeah, so most times people when they're born 81 00:04:38,540 --> 00:04:40,789 - they're assigned a gender. - By the? 82 00:04:40,790 --> 00:04:42,829 - The doctor. - Doctors. - Yeah. 83 00:04:42,830 --> 00:04:47,539 Like what do they, what do they base that assignment on? 84 00:04:47,540 --> 00:04:50,213 So basically it's, it's based on genitalia. 85 00:04:51,140 --> 00:04:54,079 So people looking at genitalia and deciding, 86 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,363 okay, this is a, a girl or a boy. xxx start of interesting part: 87 00:04:57,380 --> 00:05:00,139 And we know now that like that sex and gender 88 00:05:00,140 --> 00:05:02,029 are so much more than just this binary. xx WHS: sex is binary, despite genetic mistakes such as xxy. Gender, if you accept that stuff, is still partly based on biology, for the other part there are a few options based on your beliefs on 'reality'. 89 00:05:02,030 --> 00:05:05,719 Some women have penises, right? Some men have vaginas. xx WHS: no. 90 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,311 That, that, that's not how, how gender works. 91 00:05:08,312 --> 00:05:10,280 How do we know that, how do we know that that's not true? 92 00:05:10,281 --> 00:05:11,336 Where, where did we, where did we learn that from? 93 00:05:11,337 --> 00:05:15,019 Yeah, well, we, I, I learned that 94 00:05:15,020 --> 00:05:17,989 from hearing from transgender people, 95 00:05:17,990 --> 00:05:20,719 who've said like, oh, I'm a trans woman, xx WHS: Why take that as truth? What if these people 1) lie, 2) are confused? 96 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,789 and just because I happen to have a penis, right, 97 00:05:22,790 --> 00:05:27,790 that doesn't mean that this is like who I am as a person or, 98 00:05:28,190 --> 00:05:30,713 or that genitalia doesn't equal gender. xx WHS: Why take their view as reality?: How does a man feel a woman, because he cannot know what it is like to be a woman, in experiences, in thinking, etc. 99 00:05:31,610 --> 00:05:34,210 Who they are, their gender, their gender expression. 100 00:05:35,330 --> 00:05:37,759 That, yeah, a trans woman is a woman. xx WHS: no. 101 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,886 With the fluidity of these things, 102 00:05:39,887 --> 00:05:43,579 how do I know if, if I'm a woman, you know? I, I. 103 00:05:43,580 --> 00:05:44,959 That's a great question. 104 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,639 I like scented candles and-- Yeah. 105 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:50,063 - I've watched "Sex and the City". - Yeah. - Um. - Yeah. 106 00:05:51,140 --> 00:05:53,809 - So how do I know? - Yeah, Matt, that question right there, 107 00:05:53,810 --> 00:05:58,099 like that question is like, 108 00:05:58,100 --> 00:06:00,439 when it's asked with a lot of curiosity, right? 109 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,089 That's the beginning of a lot of people's 110 00:06:02,090 --> 00:06:04,939 like gender identity development journeys. 111 00:06:04,940 --> 00:06:09,949 - If my mom who gave birth to me is a woman. - Mm-hmm. 112 00:06:09,950 --> 00:06:13,932 And my wife is a woman, though I haven't asked her. 113 00:06:13,933 --> 00:06:15,183 Maybe I should. 114 00:06:16,397 --> 00:06:17,419 But if they're all women 115 00:06:17,420 --> 00:06:19,429 and also the boy who sits down with you and says, 116 00:06:19,430 --> 00:06:22,279 I, I think I'm a girl actually is one, 117 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:25,603 - then, then what is a woman? - Mm. 118 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,442 Yeah. Great question. 119 00:06:29,443 --> 00:06:33,114 I'm not a woman, so I, I can't really answer that. xx WHS: give us a break. You are a woman, just with mental issues. 120 00:06:38,090 --> 00:06:40,490 I thought therapy would make me less confused. xx WHS: When going to a confused therapist then that is what will happen... 121 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,470 Am I the only one feeling this way? 122 00:06:44,840 --> 00:06:46,682 I need to hit the road and find out. 123 00:06:52,692 --> 00:06:57,409 We're talking about gender in society. 124 00:06:57,410 --> 00:07:01,223 Let me start with a real basic question. What is a woman? 125 00:07:06,064 --> 00:07:08,509 A woman. 126 00:07:08,510 --> 00:07:10,656 I don't wanna assume, but you guys are all. 127 00:07:10,657 --> 00:07:12,322 - Yeah. - Women. - We're all women. - Yes. 128 00:07:12,323 --> 00:07:13,156 - Yes. - We're women. 129 00:07:13,157 --> 00:07:15,643 So how would you define it, like in the simplest terms? 130 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,269 - That is hard. - Yeah, it is, it is a stumper. 131 00:07:20,270 --> 00:07:22,669 A woman is someone that likes to be pretty 132 00:07:22,670 --> 00:07:27,139 and think of themself as a delicate creature. 133 00:07:27,140 --> 00:07:29,004 - I'm pretty and delicate. - Okay. 134 00:07:29,005 --> 00:07:31,339 - I could be a woman too. - Yes, you could. xx WHS: no. 135 00:07:31,340 --> 00:07:35,779 Defining womanhood is just a project of someone 136 00:07:35,780 --> 00:07:36,770 who identifies as a woman. 137 00:07:36,771 --> 00:07:39,232 Yeah, but what, like, what do they identify? 138 00:07:39,233 --> 00:07:40,898 You see what I'm saying? What do they identify as? 139 00:07:40,899 --> 00:07:42,913 They identify as a woman, but what is that? 140 00:07:43,790 --> 00:07:46,823 I honestly, don't know. 141 00:07:46,824 --> 00:07:48,424 It's a simple question, 142 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,193 so why is it so hard to answer? 143 00:07:54,770 --> 00:07:57,443 This is gonna take some serious investigation. 144 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:10,009 For all of human existence women 145 00:08:10,010 --> 00:08:11,910 were understood to be a certain thing, 146 00:08:12,859 --> 00:08:16,043 so what changed? 147 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,150 No one can seem to answer the question now. 148 00:08:20,180 --> 00:08:22,969 Over 2000 surgeries and counting, Dr. Marci Bowers 149 00:08:22,970 --> 00:08:25,270 is the nation's preeminent sex change surgeon. 150 00:08:26,150 --> 00:08:28,099 Surely someone who does sex change surgeries 151 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:29,180 can answer what a woman is. 152 00:08:36,380 --> 00:08:39,529 Dr. Marci Bowers, first of all, thanks for talking to us. 153 00:08:39,530 --> 00:08:40,363 My pleasure. 154 00:08:40,364 --> 00:08:43,159 So you're a world renowned gynecologist and surgeon. 155 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,319 You're also a transgender woman. 156 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:46,339 Can you tell me a little bit about- 157 00:08:46,340 --> 00:08:50,839 - No, I mean, I identify as a woman, but. 158 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:51,770 You're a woman, right? 159 00:08:51,771 --> 00:08:56,089 I'm a woman with, I mean, that's my life day-to-day, 160 00:08:56,090 --> 00:08:58,842 - but I have a transgender history. - Hmm. xx WHS: so: transsexual 161 00:08:58,843 --> 00:09:00,169 So one, one thing on your website, 162 00:09:00,170 --> 00:09:04,309 it says gender affirm, GAV, gender affirming vaginal plasty. 163 00:09:04,310 --> 00:09:07,009 - Mm-hmm. - What is that exactly? 164 00:09:07,010 --> 00:09:10,819 Vaginal plasty is creation of, of female, 165 00:09:10,820 --> 00:09:13,759 a, a female vagina and vulva. 166 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,519 We're altering the physical characteristics 167 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:21,139 of the individual to, to fit better with a gender identity 168 00:09:21,140 --> 00:09:23,329 that, that is female. 169 00:09:23,330 --> 00:09:25,789 This is all constructed from the penis? 170 00:09:25,790 --> 00:09:26,989 Yes, that's right. 171 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:29,539 The surgeries are quite refined in the sense 172 00:09:29,540 --> 00:09:33,739 that they really not only do they look like female anatomy, 173 00:09:33,740 --> 00:09:36,469 but they also function that way for the most part. 174 00:09:36,470 --> 00:09:38,959 I mean, certainly it's a bit of a Faustian bargain, 175 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,309 you know, it's not perfect. 176 00:09:40,310 --> 00:09:43,969 Does anyone ever regret their surgeries 177 00:09:43,970 --> 00:09:45,109 or we know they do, 178 00:09:45,110 --> 00:09:47,809 but how often do people regret their surgeries? 179 00:09:47,810 --> 00:09:49,489 Well, actually we don't know that they do. xx WHS: liar 180 00:09:49,490 --> 00:09:51,889 There are legitimate detransitioner 181 00:09:51,890 --> 00:09:56,890 and there are people who truly feel that in their journey, 182 00:09:57,230 --> 00:09:59,209 they may have made a mistake. xx WHS: this contradicts his earlier statement! 183 00:09:59,210 --> 00:10:01,819 Now, fortunately, this is a really, 184 00:10:01,820 --> 00:10:04,369 really uncommon phenomenon. 185 00:10:04,370 --> 00:10:05,703 I don't know if you've ever heard of people 186 00:10:05,704 --> 00:10:08,269 in the transabled community, 187 00:10:08,270 --> 00:10:11,449 these are people who are physically able-bodied, 188 00:10:11,450 --> 00:10:15,739 but feel like they should be disabled or identify as such. 189 00:10:15,740 --> 00:10:18,169 For example, a man who has two arms, 190 00:10:18,170 --> 00:10:19,549 but feels like you should have one. 191 00:10:19,550 --> 00:10:22,819 If a, if a man in this kind of marginalized community 192 00:10:22,820 --> 00:10:24,229 was, went to the doctor and said, 193 00:10:24,230 --> 00:10:26,543 I want to have my arm cut off, 194 00:10:27,424 --> 00:10:28,395 do you think that- 195 00:10:28,396 --> 00:10:30,859 - That doesn't have anything to do with gender identity. 196 00:10:30,860 --> 00:10:34,249 Well, it's someone's, someone's self identity. 197 00:10:34,250 --> 00:10:35,197 - How someone identifies. - That's some, 198 00:10:35,198 --> 00:10:39,469 that's someone who has a, a, 199 00:10:39,470 --> 00:10:42,409 and I'll accept it as a mental diagnosis, 200 00:10:42,410 --> 00:10:45,829 a psychiatric condition. I don't even pretend to know 201 00:10:45,830 --> 00:10:47,839 what apotemnophilia is all about. 202 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,819 But somehow it's the idea that you, and, you know, 203 00:10:49,820 --> 00:10:52,819 you're fascinated or charmed by having a limb 204 00:10:52,820 --> 00:10:55,332 - or part of a limb missing. - Hmm. 205 00:10:55,333 --> 00:10:59,029 Okay, I would say that's, uh, 206 00:10:59,030 --> 00:11:01,763 pardon my non-medical language, kooky. 207 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,053 You don't see any, you think this is totally irrelevant? xx WHS: he doesn't want to admit the similarity, it would give questions to which he has no answers... 208 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,599 Yep. 209 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:13,600 So the biggest broadest question is what is a woman? 210 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,976 A woman is a, you know, 211 00:11:17,977 --> 00:11:22,399 it's a combination of your physical attributes, 212 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:24,829 and then what you're showing to the world, 213 00:11:24,830 --> 00:11:27,649 and the gender clues that you give, 214 00:11:27,650 --> 00:11:30,679 and hopefully those match your gender identity. 215 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:34,085 The critics on the other side of this, 216 00:11:34,086 --> 00:11:36,199 of, of this, of this issue. 217 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,929 There aren't many, but go ahead. xx WHS: liar! There are many who don't accept this stuff! 218 00:11:38,930 --> 00:11:41,089 There aren't many who would disagree 219 00:11:41,090 --> 00:11:42,889 with what you're saying about. 220 00:11:42,890 --> 00:11:44,959 Well, you know, the dinosaurs of the world 221 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:50,472 - are certainly out there. - Hmm. - Yeah. xx WHS: What a nutjob! 222 00:11:54,140 --> 00:11:56,269 How long have you been running the shop here? 223 00:11:56,270 --> 00:11:58,512 - 25 Years. - Wow. 224 00:11:58,513 --> 00:12:00,289 Now you had an incident here a little while ago 225 00:12:00,290 --> 00:12:02,449 that went really viral online. 226 00:12:02,450 --> 00:12:04,279 Lots of reaction in the public. 227 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:06,589 Aberdeen Councilwoman Tiesa Meskis 228 00:12:06,590 --> 00:12:09,769 confronted owner Don Sucher about a sign 229 00:12:09,770 --> 00:12:11,389 he posted in his store. 230 00:12:11,390 --> 00:12:13,969 One day I just put the sign up over here, 231 00:12:13,970 --> 00:12:16,369 and he came around the corner, 232 00:12:16,370 --> 00:12:18,409 and I thought, okay, I recognize him. 233 00:12:18,410 --> 00:12:20,486 I says, "Oh, I recognize you." 234 00:12:20,487 --> 00:12:22,549 "You're our new city councilman." 235 00:12:22,550 --> 00:12:25,609 He says, "No, I'm your new city councilwoman." 236 00:12:25,610 --> 00:12:28,519 So it was, it was kind of on from there. 237 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,009 You know what? It's bullshit. 238 00:12:31,010 --> 00:12:32,959 No, what your spouting is bullshit. 239 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,569 No it's not. Transwomen are women, sir. 240 00:12:35,570 --> 00:12:39,829 - That sign is bullshit. - I've been doing this 25 years, 241 00:12:39,830 --> 00:12:42,169 I've never had a problem with anybody, 242 00:12:42,170 --> 00:12:44,779 whether they're gay, transsexual, anything. 243 00:12:44,780 --> 00:12:48,143 Now how, you're saying councilman, he, 244 00:12:49,070 --> 00:12:51,079 this individual was saying, I'm a woman. 245 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,889 - Right. - And you said, "You're not a woman." How-- Okay. 246 00:12:53,890 --> 00:12:55,249 How do you know that that person's not a woman? 247 00:12:55,250 --> 00:13:01,729 - How do I know? - Yeah. - Well, uh, common sense. 248 00:13:01,730 --> 00:13:03,827 Trans women are women! xx WHS: No, though some exceptions can be made in some cases, rather more for F to M(such as Heidi Krieger to Helmut Krieger), as the reverse gives more issues, voice, behaviour, etc. of things that do not fit. 249 00:13:04,850 --> 00:13:06,199 Doesn't, doesn't the science say 250 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:11,179 that if someone identifies as a woman then they are. 251 00:13:11,180 --> 00:13:15,079 No, no. Now that's completely bogus. 252 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,970 I don't care, if you think you're a sheep dog 253 00:13:18,890 --> 00:13:22,399 and you come into my store, it don't matter to me. 254 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,289 Just don't come in and try to shove 255 00:13:24,290 --> 00:13:27,529 - that shit down my throat. - If it makes someone feel better, 256 00:13:27,530 --> 00:13:28,699 what about their, their feelings? 257 00:13:28,700 --> 00:13:31,608 I mean-- I don't give shit about their feelings, I'm old. 258 00:13:31,609 --> 00:13:33,529 What about the Star Wars universe? 259 00:13:33,530 --> 00:13:37,993 Jar Jar Binks, pansexual do you think? Transgender? 260 00:13:39,050 --> 00:13:43,009 Uh, why would I, why would I even care? 261 00:13:43,010 --> 00:13:44,260 It's if it's his truth. 262 00:13:45,230 --> 00:13:47,389 - Well, it ain't true. - You're not a scientist. 263 00:13:47,390 --> 00:13:49,039 You're not a gender studies major or are you? 264 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,279 - No. - No, okay. How do you know that you're a man? 265 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:53,569 How do I know that I'm a man? 266 00:13:53,570 --> 00:13:57,889 - I guess, because I got a dick. - Huh? 267 00:13:57,890 --> 00:13:59,963 Well, I guess Don isn't overthinking it. 268 00:14:00,950 --> 00:14:03,000 He admits he's not a gender studies major 269 00:14:04,610 --> 00:14:06,203 or at the very least a doctor. 270 00:14:07,310 --> 00:14:09,348 Maybe I should go talk to one. 271 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:22,549 My name is Michelle Forcier, 272 00:14:22,550 --> 00:14:24,589 um, and I have a medical degree 273 00:14:24,590 --> 00:14:26,899 from University of Connecticut Residency, 274 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:30,229 University of Utah Pediatrics. And I've worked for a number 275 00:14:30,230 --> 00:14:33,289 of different Planned Parenthood's for 20 years. 276 00:14:33,290 --> 00:14:35,479 I do advanced contraception and abortion 277 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:36,979 as well as gender hormones, 278 00:14:36,980 --> 00:14:38,809 and sort of looking at the whole sort 279 00:14:38,810 --> 00:14:42,769 of schema of gender, sex, and, and reproductive justice. 280 00:14:42,770 --> 00:14:44,029 So you've done a lot of work in this field. 281 00:14:44,030 --> 00:14:46,939 Could you just start by telling us-- Sure. 282 00:14:46,940 --> 00:14:51,940 At what age can a child first begin to transition 283 00:14:53,060 --> 00:14:55,369 into another gender or identify themselves 284 00:14:55,370 --> 00:14:58,189 as a gender different from how they were born? 285 00:14:58,190 --> 00:15:00,649 Yeah. Well, I mean, there's, there's research 286 00:15:00,650 --> 00:15:04,219 and data that show that babies and infants 287 00:15:04,220 --> 00:15:06,169 understand differences in gender. 288 00:15:06,170 --> 00:15:11,170 Some children figure out their gender really early, 289 00:15:11,390 --> 00:15:13,159 and the reason why we are say, 290 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:14,959 oh, that's, it's interesting or important 291 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,749 is 'cause they're figuring out their gender identity 292 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:19,339 is not necessarily congruent 293 00:15:19,340 --> 00:15:21,160 with their sexes signed at birth. 294 00:15:21,161 --> 00:15:23,629 When the, when the doctor sees the penis and says, 295 00:15:23,630 --> 00:15:26,479 this is a male, has the sex of male, 296 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,839 that's an arbitrary distinction. 297 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,249 Telling that family based on that little penis 298 00:15:34,250 --> 00:15:36,469 that your child is absolutely 299 00:15:36,470 --> 00:15:39,169 a hundred percent male identified xx WHS: Male identified is BS. How does she know what a 'male' is besides external showing of behaviour/clothes? That has only some correlation to your thinking, it is definitely not everything and not determining of your thinking. How does she know how a man thinks? 300 00:15:39,170 --> 00:15:42,019 no matter what else occurs in their life, 301 00:15:42,020 --> 00:15:45,229 - that's not correct. - So what is gender affirmation care? 302 00:15:45,230 --> 00:15:46,639 You're a big proponent of, 303 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:49,909 if we walk through a child is sitting down with you 304 00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:52,459 - is questioning-- Yeah. - Their gender. 305 00:15:52,460 --> 00:15:54,439 What's the gender affirmation process? 306 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,109 Affirmation means that as a pediatrician, 307 00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:59,269 as someone who says my job 308 00:15:59,270 --> 00:16:02,569 is to provide the best medical care for you 309 00:16:02,570 --> 00:16:05,089 is I need to listen really carefully. 310 00:16:05,090 --> 00:16:06,799 And how I put it in words for kids 311 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,729 so that they can understand it is tell me your story. 312 00:16:10,730 --> 00:16:12,619 Where have you been in terms of your gender 313 00:16:12,620 --> 00:16:15,919 and your gender identity? Where are you right now? 314 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,509 And more excitingly, 315 00:16:17,510 --> 00:16:20,495 where would you like to be in the future? 316 00:16:20,496 --> 00:16:22,246 Have you ever met a four-year-old 317 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,749 - who believes in Santa Claus? - Mm-hmm. 318 00:16:26,750 --> 00:16:28,069 So this is someone who believes 319 00:16:28,070 --> 00:16:31,699 that a fat man is traveling through the sky 320 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:34,249 on a flying reindeer at lightning speed 321 00:16:34,250 --> 00:16:37,189 - coming down his chimney with presents. - Yeah. 322 00:16:37,190 --> 00:16:38,359 Would you say that this is someone 323 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,089 who maybe has a tenuous grasp on reality? 324 00:16:41,090 --> 00:16:43,009 They have an appropriate four-year-old handle 325 00:16:43,010 --> 00:16:43,843 on the reality-- Sure, agreed. 326 00:16:43,844 --> 00:16:46,309 - That's very real for them. - Agreed, agreed. 327 00:16:46,310 --> 00:16:47,789 But Santa Claus is real for them but- 328 00:16:47,790 --> 00:16:49,727 - Yeah. - Santa Claus is not actually real. 329 00:16:49,728 --> 00:16:51,049 Yeah, well and, but Santa Claus 330 00:16:51,050 --> 00:16:53,509 does deliver their Christmas presents. xx WHS: No he doesn't, the parents do that, and Walsh has her by the balls because evading the relevant comparison makes their justification of gender affirmation invalid. In reality what I said years ago already invalidates that: What about liars and people who are confused? 331 00:16:53,510 --> 00:16:55,819 Well, yeah, but he is not real though. xx WHS: No he doesn't, the parents do that, and Walsh has her by the balls because evading the relevant comparison makes their justification of gender affirmation invalid. In reality what I said years ago already invalidates that: What about liars and people who are confused? 332 00:16:55,820 --> 00:16:57,177 To that child they are. xx WHS: Not "they are" but "he is". 333 00:16:58,066 --> 00:16:59,809 When I see a child who, you know, 334 00:16:59,810 --> 00:17:01,392 believes in Santa Claus and then let's say, 335 00:17:01,393 --> 00:17:05,149 - this is a boy and he says, I'm a girl. - Mm-hmm. 336 00:17:05,150 --> 00:17:06,739 This is someone who can't distinguish 337 00:17:06,740 --> 00:17:07,879 between fantasy and reality, 338 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,880 so how could you take that as a reality? 339 00:17:13,340 --> 00:17:16,699 I would say that as a pediatrician and as a parent, 340 00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:18,199 I would say how wonderful 341 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:24,369 my four-year-old and their imagination is. xx WHS: Oh my God, she is worse than I thought, she doesn't give a damn about reality and thus about consequences for that child of fantasies that she follows and makes into reality, that this child may regret but then will be forced to live... 342 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,453 Aren't kids famous for their active imaginations? 343 00:17:31,430 --> 00:17:34,570 Should we really let our children define reality? 344 00:17:34,571 --> 00:17:39,889 If I say that I, I feel a certain way 345 00:17:39,890 --> 00:17:42,169 then obviously you can't tell me I don't feel that way. 346 00:17:42,170 --> 00:17:44,209 - Yeah. - But just because I feel that way 347 00:17:44,210 --> 00:17:46,339 does that mean that it's true? 348 00:17:46,340 --> 00:17:47,722 I mean, if it's your reality okay. 349 00:17:47,723 --> 00:17:48,556 Yeah, it's yours reality. 350 00:17:48,557 --> 00:17:50,429 It's truly like none of my business who you are. 351 00:17:50,430 --> 00:17:53,539 - So we all have our own-- Identity. - Realities. 352 00:17:53,540 --> 00:17:55,189 What if I said, I want you to say 353 00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:58,069 that it's true that I'm a woman, would you say that? 354 00:17:58,070 --> 00:18:00,079 - That you're a woman? - I would also say that. 355 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,279 - If you want. - Yeah. 356 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,669 I honestly don't care like whatever makes you happy. 357 00:18:04,670 --> 00:18:07,789 What's true to you can be, can be false to me. 358 00:18:07,790 --> 00:18:09,861 So like it, it's the, it's like- 359 00:18:09,862 --> 00:18:10,999 - What if I said that it's true, 360 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,129 my truth is that you don't exist, 361 00:18:13,130 --> 00:18:15,649 does that mean you, you no longer exist? 362 00:18:15,650 --> 00:18:17,479 I mean, if that's your truth sure. 363 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,793 I don't, because it's like-- But you do. 364 00:18:20,690 --> 00:18:21,590 Well, I mean, if you're saying 365 00:18:21,591 --> 00:18:23,599 that I do then I do. 366 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,309 Well, but even if I said that you don't you still do 367 00:18:25,310 --> 00:18:27,082 'cause we're, we're having this conversation. 368 00:18:27,083 --> 00:18:30,679 - I mean, are we? - I think so, I mean, I thought. 369 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,449 That's what you think. 370 00:18:33,450 --> 00:18:34,519 Well, I should have known 371 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,920 it would be hard to define reality in Hollywood. 372 00:18:37,850 --> 00:18:39,319 I should probably look to the place 373 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,753 where truth is the foremost pursuit, 374 00:18:42,890 --> 00:18:47,958 the American university. 375 00:18:52,820 --> 00:18:55,609 What we do in, in gender studies 376 00:18:55,610 --> 00:18:57,289 is not just reduced gender 377 00:18:57,290 --> 00:18:59,569 to what psychologists might call individual differences, 378 00:18:59,570 --> 00:19:01,186 but rather thinking about gender. 379 00:19:01,187 --> 00:19:03,799 And that's not women and man, 380 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,279 but gender as a, as a social form, 381 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,709 something that kind of infuses itself 382 00:19:09,710 --> 00:19:12,859 into virtually all aspects of social life. 383 00:19:12,860 --> 00:19:14,509 Let's talk about that then. 384 00:19:14,510 --> 00:19:17,269 Uh, I guess we should start with 385 00:19:17,270 --> 00:19:20,833 - we've got gender and sex, right? - Yeah. 386 00:19:21,950 --> 00:19:23,569 What, what's the difference between the two? 387 00:19:23,570 --> 00:19:24,440 Is there a difference? 388 00:19:24,441 --> 00:19:26,449 I saw that in your questions and I thought, my goodness, 389 00:19:26,450 --> 00:19:28,339 this is what we spend an entire semester 390 00:19:28,340 --> 00:19:29,300 kind of thinking through. 391 00:19:29,301 --> 00:19:34,300 But what we tend to think about in the social sciences today 392 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:39,199 is that sex refers to a set of biological characteristics, 393 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,789 and gender is a social construct or category. 394 00:19:43,790 --> 00:19:46,909 What I think is often misleading about that characteristic, 395 00:19:46,910 --> 00:19:49,669 then is allowed to be sort of messy and complicated. 396 00:19:49,670 --> 00:19:51,769 But in that framing, when you split them up 397 00:19:51,770 --> 00:19:54,829 into these holy discrete constructs studies scholars, and, 398 00:19:54,830 --> 00:19:56,419 and really more specifically people 399 00:19:56,420 --> 00:19:57,529 who study gender and sex, 400 00:19:57,530 --> 00:19:59,028 we're not talking about sexuality right now. 401 00:19:59,029 --> 00:20:01,419 I teach in the kind of, academic universe that I travel in 402 00:20:01,420 --> 00:20:05,179 is that we see how deeply gendered ideas, 403 00:20:05,180 --> 00:20:07,549 cultural ideas about masculinity and femininity, 404 00:20:07,550 --> 00:20:09,139 maleness and femaleness, 405 00:20:09,140 --> 00:20:11,813 both in humans and in lots of other animals. 406 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,849 So are gender and sex two different things or? 407 00:20:16,850 --> 00:20:20,209 Well, I think that they, they both are, and they aren't. 408 00:20:20,210 --> 00:20:22,639 I'd be, I'm comfortable saying that gender and sex 409 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,229 are, are two different constructs, 410 00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:26,689 but they're deeply intertwined with each other. xx WHS: He doesn't understand it. Psychological gender comes from physical sex + something else. Hormones influence you in several ways, body, thinking.... 411 00:20:26,690 --> 00:20:28,789 We're talking about gender and, and sex, 412 00:20:28,790 --> 00:20:30,199 and there's a lot of controversies there. 413 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,629 If we're talking about a trans woman, 414 00:20:32,630 --> 00:20:35,569 has all of the male physical characteristics, 415 00:20:35,570 --> 00:20:38,539 so would that not be a male then? 416 00:20:38,540 --> 00:20:42,757 Couldn't, couldn't we plainly say this person is a male? 417 00:20:42,758 --> 00:20:44,689 Well, well I guess it's, it's like, 418 00:20:44,690 --> 00:20:47,059 why are you asking the question? xx WHS: WTF? This is about addressing people, it is also important in dating, so you need to know! 419 00:20:47,060 --> 00:20:48,919 I think I, I, I wanna understand 420 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,552 sort of why that's so important. So if someone tells you- 421 00:20:51,553 --> 00:20:56,323 - Just to sort of understand reality, you know. 422 00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:59,839 Well, I mean, I think when someone tells you who they are, 423 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:00,830 you should believe them. 424 00:21:00,831 --> 00:21:04,819 So if a person says that they're a woman or they're a man, 425 00:21:04,820 --> 00:21:07,132 then that's them telling you their gender is. 426 00:21:07,133 --> 00:21:08,929 I'm, I'm not so sure why, 427 00:21:08,930 --> 00:21:13,930 what social in interactions would have to do with, 428 00:21:14,660 --> 00:21:16,429 with maleness or femaleness that would be- 429 00:21:16,430 --> 00:21:18,439 - Well, I, I'm not even talking about social context. 430 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,209 I'm just, I'm just trying to start 431 00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:21,910 by getting to the truth, you know? 432 00:21:24,170 --> 00:21:25,549 Yeah, I mean, I'm really uncomfortable 433 00:21:25,550 --> 00:21:28,189 with that language of like getting to the truth. xx WHS: Oh my God! What a pussy! Well, that was already clear from the start (from talking and appearance), this guy is a wimp! (and NOT a truth seeker and thus a waste of time pseudo scientist) 434 00:21:28,190 --> 00:21:30,229 Again in social life-- Why, why is that, 435 00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:31,339 why is that uncomfortable? 436 00:21:31,340 --> 00:21:32,959 Because that, it sounds actually 437 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,309 deeply transphobic to me, and if- xx WHS: What a piece of shit! GTFO! 438 00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:37,099 - And truth-- And if you keep probing, 439 00:21:37,100 --> 00:21:39,559 we're gonna stop the interview. I-- If I probe 440 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,499 - about what the truth is? - You keep invoking the word truth, 441 00:21:42,500 --> 00:21:44,509 which is condescending and rude. xx WHS: Well, it turns out he is not just a wimp, but insane! 442 00:21:44,510 --> 00:21:45,343 I'm saying to you-- How is, 443 00:21:45,344 --> 00:21:47,587 how is the word truth condescending and rude? 444 00:21:49,610 --> 00:21:51,019 Why don't you tell me what your truth is? 445 00:21:51,020 --> 00:21:53,899 And you're walking on 30 seconds more of thin ice 446 00:21:53,900 --> 00:21:54,900 before I get up. 447 00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:57,193 What my truth is? 448 00:21:57,194 --> 00:21:58,789 Well, I don't think I really have a truth. 449 00:21:58,790 --> 00:22:03,379 I think that there's just the truth, like the reality. 450 00:22:03,380 --> 00:22:05,959 And so we should begin by trying to figure out 451 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,193 what the reality is. 452 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:09,433 Uh-huh. 453 00:22:09,434 --> 00:22:13,819 And why are you concerned with when someone else tells you 454 00:22:13,820 --> 00:22:17,899 that they're a man or even if they use the word male, 455 00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:20,200 why are you concerned with not believing them? 456 00:22:21,290 --> 00:22:22,549 Well, you keep bringing it back to, you know, 457 00:22:22,550 --> 00:22:25,129 how do you respond in a social situation, but- 458 00:22:25,130 --> 00:22:26,809 - That's what I do, I'm a social scientist. 459 00:22:26,810 --> 00:22:28,399 Well, right, but we're at a university. 460 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,919 This is a place of understanding truth, isn't it or? 461 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,102 Absolutely we are, we pursue the true truth. xx WHS: That is not what he said earlier! 462 00:22:33,103 --> 00:22:35,509 And I'm a social scientist and that's what I do. 463 00:22:35,510 --> 00:22:37,102 Well, you just said the truth is transphobic. 464 00:22:37,103 --> 00:22:39,229 That, that you would say that you're, 465 00:22:39,230 --> 00:22:40,429 if you're saying the truth is 466 00:22:40,430 --> 00:22:44,029 that I get to say you are not a man, show me your genitalia, 467 00:22:44,030 --> 00:22:44,863 that's transphobic. xx WHS: This guy is a moron, that was not implied. And even if it had been implied, he should be able to set Walsh straight with his knowledge, right? Of course he can't because he is a moron. 468 00:22:44,864 --> 00:22:45,969 No, I don't wanna see anybody's genitalia. xx WHS: This guy is a moron, that was not implied. And even if it had been implied, he should be able to set Walsh straight with his knowledge, right? Of course he can't because he is a moron. 469 00:22:45,970 --> 00:22:48,949 I, I, I just mean someone can make a statement xx WHS: This guy is a moron, that was not implied. And even if it had been implied, he should be able to set Walsh straight with his knowledge, right? Of course he can't because he is a moron. 470 00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:51,259 about themselves that could be untrue. 471 00:22:51,260 --> 00:22:53,599 Like, for example, if I, 472 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,500 if I were to say that I'm a black man, 473 00:22:57,290 --> 00:23:01,853 could you, would you accept that or would you be skeptical? 474 00:23:04,220 --> 00:23:07,103 Are you Black? Are you African American? Are you biracial? 475 00:23:09,230 --> 00:23:11,419 - I don't think so. - Well you don't look that, 476 00:23:11,420 --> 00:23:12,709 and I don't think that's a, 477 00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:14,719 it doesn't sound like that's a genuine statement xx WHS: How do you know? And my "how do you know" is the entire point! 478 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:15,743 of who you are. xx WHS: How do you know? And my "how do you know" is the entire point! 479 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:19,393 Okay, so that's my point. 480 00:23:19,394 --> 00:23:23,389 I, I could make a statement about who I am that's incorrect. 481 00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:24,919 Of course, I think it's well established 482 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,092 - that human beings can lie yes. - Or not even lie. 483 00:23:28,093 --> 00:23:31,00 I mean, I could just be mistaken. xx WHS: Aha, here Walsh comes to the same points I made years ago. 484 00:23:31,340 --> 00:23:34,123 Yeah. I'm not sure where you're going. xx WHS: Where he is going is clear. Walsh has him by the balls, leading him and forcing him to look at reality. 485 00:23:35,060 --> 00:23:36,139 I guess this all comes back, 486 00:23:36,140 --> 00:23:38,440 just it all comes down to really one question, 487 00:23:39,620 --> 00:23:44,620 especially women, gender, and sexuality studies. 488 00:23:44,810 --> 00:23:48,893 So what, so what, what is a woman? 489 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,510 Why do you ask that question? xx WHS: You are a supposed expert, so just answer the question! 490 00:23:57,740 --> 00:23:59,190 I just really like to know. 491 00:24:00,170 --> 00:24:02,533 What do you think the answer to that question is? xx WHS: He is playing psychologist by not answering but asking him the same back! 492 00:24:04,910 --> 00:24:06,409 Well, I'm, I'm asking, 493 00:24:06,410 --> 00:24:08,269 that's why I came to a college professor 494 00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:11,663 who, who's, this is your, this is what you do. 495 00:24:13,460 --> 00:24:16,463 What other kinds of answers have you gotten? xx WHS: Just answer the F-ing question you wimp! 496 00:24:20,150 --> 00:24:21,050 A lot of like this, 497 00:24:21,051 --> 00:24:22,219 where you're, where you're not answering it, 498 00:24:22,220 --> 00:24:23,359 I've gotten a lot of that so. 499 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:24,619 I think it's interesting that you, 500 00:24:24,620 --> 00:24:25,669 that you say that some of the people 501 00:24:25,670 --> 00:24:29,209 you've, you've interviewed have been reluctant to answer it. 502 00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:30,709 And I think that has a lot to do with the way, 503 00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:32,599 the questions that preceded it and the, 504 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,149 the way that you've conducted yourself in the interview. xx WHS: Bullshit, and even if that were the case (obviously not, other factors cause non-answers as is clear from the behaviour of people he asked), you still haven't answered the question! 505 00:24:35,150 --> 00:24:36,739 How have I conducted myself? 506 00:24:36,740 --> 00:24:38,089 How do you think you've conducted yourself? xx WHS: Answer the F-ing question you wimp! 507 00:24:38,090 --> 00:24:39,903 You, xx WHS: Answer the F-ing question you wimp! 508 00:24:42,410 --> 00:24:44,815 you just really don't wanna answer the questions do you? xx WHS: Correct. Good that Walsh doesn't oblige him and doesn't answer his meaningless question in return. 509 00:24:44,816 --> 00:24:46,729 I, I came today very willing xx WHS: Correct. Good that Walsh doesn't oblige him and doesn't answer his meaningless question in return. 510 00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:49,039 and, and enthusiastic about answering questions 511 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,689 about women's and gender sexuality studies, 512 00:24:50,690 --> 00:24:51,827 - which is what I do. - You wanted, 513 00:24:51,828 --> 00:24:53,839 you wanted to answer questions about women's studies, 514 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,989 and so shouldn't the, the first answer 515 00:24:56,990 --> 00:24:58,759 you should be able to provide is what exactly as a woman? 516 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,529 Well, it's, for me it's, 517 00:25:00,530 --> 00:25:01,816 it's actually a really simple answer, 518 00:25:01,817 --> 00:25:04,009 and that's a person who identifies as a woman. 519 00:25:04,010 --> 00:25:06,679 - But what are they identifying as? - As a woman. xx WHS: That is a circular answer and he is too stupid to realise it or gives that answer because he just doesn't want to go deeper into the essence. 520 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,773 - So what is that? - As a woman. xx WHS: That is a circular answer and he is too stupid to realise it or gives that answer because he just doesn't want to go deeper into the essence. 521 00:25:10,858 --> 00:25:13,058 Do you know what a circular definition is? xx WHS; Aha, Walsh isn't fooled, obviously, but also points out that he gives a circular definition, good. 522 00:25:14,050 --> 00:25:15,050 I do. 523 00:25:16,850 --> 00:25:19,189 It's sort of like what you're doing right now, 524 00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:20,993 where a woman is, is a woman. 525 00:25:21,980 --> 00:25:23,209 Well, 'cause you are seeking 526 00:25:23,210 --> 00:25:24,339 what we would call in my field of work, 527 00:25:24,340 --> 00:25:28,069 an essentialist definition of gender. 528 00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:29,569 I think it sounds like you would like me 529 00:25:29,570 --> 00:25:33,529 to give you a set of biological or cultural characteristics 530 00:25:33,530 --> 00:25:37,009 that are associated with one gender or the other. xx WHS: Whatever Walsh seeks is irrelevant, but this guy is playing the psychologist game of 'tell me how you feel'. Dude, why not tell him YOUR definition? 531 00:25:37,010 --> 00:25:38,599 I'm not seeking any type of definition, 532 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,399 I'm just seeking a definition. 533 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,889 Yeah, and I gave you one. xx WHS: No, he didn't. 534 00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:45,709 Well now I can say I've been to college. 535 00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:47,509 Glad I didn't pay for it. 536 00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:50,509 Is there anyone willing to give me a straight answer? 537 00:25:50,510 --> 00:25:51,799 Ideally somebody with a bunch 538 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,873 of medical degrees on the wall. 539 00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:57,139 Dr. Grossman, thanks for talking to us. 540 00:25:57,140 --> 00:25:59,689 You're a psychiatrist medical doctor, 541 00:25:59,690 --> 00:26:02,509 and you've done a lot of work in child psychiatry. 542 00:26:02,510 --> 00:26:07,309 What is transgenderism from a psychiatric standpoint? 543 00:26:07,310 --> 00:26:08,779 The best way to approach it 544 00:26:08,780 --> 00:26:13,780 is by speaking about gender dysphoria, 545 00:26:14,900 --> 00:26:19,369 which is an intense loathing and discomfort 546 00:26:19,370 --> 00:26:25,309 with one's biological sex. They exist anywhere between 547 00:26:25,310 --> 00:26:30,310 one in 30,000 people and one in 110,000. 548 00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:36,169 It's important to distinguish those people 549 00:26:36,170 --> 00:26:40,399 from what's happening much more recently, 550 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:45,400 which is kids that never had any discomfort or dysphoria 551 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,489 as it's now called with their biological sex. 552 00:26:49,490 --> 00:26:54,490 And then quite suddenly as preteens or as, as adolescents, 553 00:26:55,490 --> 00:27:00,079 they come out and they announce that they are gender fluid 554 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,409 or they, they start to question their sex. 555 00:27:03,410 --> 00:27:07,249 So first let's define the terms sex and gender. 556 00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:15,169 - Yes, please. - Sex is biology. Sex is unchanging. 557 00:27:15,170 --> 00:27:20,170 It's based on chromosomes 99.999% of the cells in the body 558 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,269 are marked either male or female. 559 00:27:26,270 --> 00:27:29,629 Gender on the other hand is a perception. 560 00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:32,239 It's a feeling, it's a way of identifying, 561 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:37,609 it's a, it's an experience. Okay, that's, that's subjective. 562 00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:39,199 It sounds like what you're saying 563 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,403 is that if a man is male, 564 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:49,339 but thinks of himself as a woman, he's not actually a woman. 565 00:27:49,340 --> 00:27:50,340 That's correct. xx WHS: finally a non-bulshitter! 566 00:27:51,860 --> 00:27:54,559 Male gametes, that's what makes me male. xx WHS: back to the crazy doctor with blue hair. 567 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,319 No, your, your sperm don't make you male. 568 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,379 - Then what does. - It's a constellation. 569 00:28:00,380 --> 00:28:03,919 In reality, in truth, okay. 570 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,539 Whose truth are we talking about? 571 00:28:05,540 --> 00:28:07,159 The same truth that says we're sitting in this room 572 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,099 - right now you and I. - No, you're not listening. xx WHS: a nutjob! 573 00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:11,097 If I, if I see a chicken lying eggs 574 00:28:11,098 --> 00:28:13,339 and I say that's a female chicken laying eggs, 575 00:28:13,340 --> 00:28:14,779 did I assign female 576 00:28:14,780 --> 00:28:16,549 or am I just observing a physical reality 577 00:28:16,550 --> 00:28:17,749 that's happening in the world? 578 00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:19,429 Does a chicken have gender identity? 579 00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:21,642 - Does a chicken cry? - Well, a-- Does a chicken 580 00:28:21,643 --> 00:28:23,987 commit suicide? Let's frame it-- What does that 581 00:28:23,988 --> 00:28:26,389 - have to do with? - Because you're talking, you're trying to- 582 00:28:26,390 --> 00:28:28,243 - Chicken has sex like any, like any biological organism. 583 00:28:28,244 --> 00:28:30,502 A chicken has an assigned gender, 584 00:28:30,503 --> 00:28:32,899 but a chicken doesn't have a gender identity. 585 00:28:32,900 --> 00:28:35,029 So we assign female to chickens when they lay eggs? 586 00:28:35,030 --> 00:28:36,529 That's a, that's-- We assume they're female xx WHS: we don't assume that you moron! And you are mixing up talking about sex with gender! 587 00:28:36,530 --> 00:28:37,819 if they lay eggs. 588 00:28:37,820 --> 00:28:42,820 Now I was told that really everyone agrees 589 00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:46,279 with the current approach to gender and transitioning kids 590 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:47,113 and all of that. 591 00:28:47,114 --> 00:28:50,779 And if you don't agree that you're a dinosaur and a bigot. 592 00:28:50,780 --> 00:28:53,569 So are you a bigoted dinosaur? 593 00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:56,689 I'm not bigoted, and I'm not a dinosaur. 594 00:28:56,690 --> 00:29:01,690 I am rooted in reality and in science. 595 00:29:01,910 --> 00:29:05,341 - Who's reality? - There's one reality. 596 00:29:05,342 --> 00:29:08,299 Coming up girls 100 meter final. 597 00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:10,129 The first race that I competed 598 00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:14,032 against a transgender athlete was during my freshman year. 599 00:29:14,033 --> 00:29:19,429 And once the gun went off, 600 00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:22,639 the two transgender athletes took off flying 601 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,649 and left all of us girls in the dust. 602 00:29:24,650 --> 00:29:26,149 Throughout all four years of high school 603 00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:28,459 I was forced to compete against biological males. 604 00:29:28,460 --> 00:29:31,159 I only competed against them in the sprinting events, 605 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,779 but I raced against these athletes 606 00:29:32,780 --> 00:29:34,669 over a dozen times throughout the years, 607 00:29:34,670 --> 00:29:36,439 and every single time I lost. 608 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,992 Did, did they inch you out of metals 609 00:29:38,993 --> 00:29:40,609 that you would've won otherwise 610 00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:41,480 or trophies you would've had? 611 00:29:41,481 --> 00:29:44,629 They beat me out by 20 meters out of metals 612 00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:46,129 and qualifying spots. 613 00:29:46,130 --> 00:29:48,289 I missed out on qualifying for New England. 614 00:29:48,290 --> 00:29:50,569 I had, and I had to go in the long jump 615 00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:52,519 and the four by 200 meter relay, 616 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,769 so I was forced on the sidelines in my own event, 617 00:29:54,770 --> 00:29:57,709 and if they were not there, I would've been able to qualify. 618 00:29:57,710 --> 00:30:00,739 So I missed out on so much throughout my high school career. 619 00:30:00,740 --> 00:30:04,009 Did they win all the events or almost all the events? 620 00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:04,940 Between the two of them 621 00:30:04,941 --> 00:30:07,039 they won every single event they competed in. 622 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,059 How does that, how does that feel? 623 00:30:08,060 --> 00:30:11,629 It is so frustrating and heartbreaking 624 00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:14,329 because we elite female athletes train so hard 625 00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:16,939 to shave just fractions of a second off of our time 626 00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:18,229 and going into races 627 00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:20,299 knowing that we will never be able to win. 628 00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:24,199 - It feels like all that work gone to waste? - It does. 629 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,629 After so many losses it just gets to the point 630 00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:28,369 of why am I even doing this? 631 00:30:28,370 --> 00:30:32,479 Why am I keep, training so hard and sacrificing so much 632 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:36,845 just to place third and beyond. 633 00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:43,107 Case in Connecticut, there were two male track runners, 634 00:30:43,108 --> 00:30:45,102 - trans-- They were trans girls. xx WHS: says effeminate sounding guy. - Right. 635 00:30:45,103 --> 00:30:46,999 And who, who decided that they 636 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,619 were gonna race against the girls. 637 00:30:48,620 --> 00:30:51,619 And you look at the, those individuals, 638 00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:54,709 you look at their times against the men, against the boys, 639 00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:56,839 so they were kind of middle of the pack. 640 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:58,039 And then they're racing the girls 641 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,559 and they're, you know, first and second place. 642 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,059 Is that indicative of some kind of unfair advantage 643 00:31:05,060 --> 00:31:08,599 that those individuals might have against the girls? 644 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,419 No, it's not indicative of an unfair advantage. xx WHS: bzzt! yes it is. 645 00:31:11,420 --> 00:31:13,279 And I think part of the proof of this 646 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,979 is that more transgender girls 647 00:31:15,980 --> 00:31:19,189 are coming out in high school and still playing sports, 648 00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:20,659 and they're not winning. xx WHS: Oh really, what were they like before transitioning? Weak last-of-the-pack effeminate guys? They would not win... 649 00:31:20,660 --> 00:31:23,419 You know, the Connecticut case is the exception. 650 00:31:23,420 --> 00:31:24,919 It got a lot of attention 651 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,339 because those two trans girls performed well, 652 00:31:28,340 --> 00:31:29,359 but there are many, many- 653 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,039 - Yeah. - More trans girls competing 654 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,158 in sports and they don't excel because- 655 00:31:33,159 --> 00:31:33,992 - Yeah, we could-- 'Cause at the end 656 00:31:33,993 --> 00:31:36,619 of the day, whether or not you win a game 657 00:31:36,620 --> 00:31:39,169 is not just, is about how hard you work in your practice, xx WHS: it is about genetics, talent, even intelligence, and added to that mix: hard work, you moron! 658 00:31:39,170 --> 00:31:40,849 and most of us aren't gonna win, 659 00:31:40,850 --> 00:31:42,804 and that goes for transgender athletes too. 660 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,379 The norm is that transgender youth 661 00:31:57,380 --> 00:31:59,539 don't win that much in sports games. 662 00:31:59,540 --> 00:32:01,519 Alana McLaughlin was very appreciative 663 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,067 for Provost to take this fight. 664 00:32:03,068 --> 00:32:04,609 I don't know how appreciative it's now, 665 00:32:04,610 --> 00:32:06,469 but she got a couple punches in. 666 00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:09,289 It is the very much the exception 667 00:32:09,290 --> 00:32:11,839 when a transgender young person does win. 668 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:12,979 - And the tap! - The tap. 669 00:32:12,980 --> 00:32:15,289 And it's because there's not really 670 00:32:15,290 --> 00:32:17,359 an advantage to being trans. 671 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,153 Only a few people are going to lead the pack. 672 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,439 There are some slight differences, 673 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,319 but does it translate to a competitive advantage? 674 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,544 I think you'd be very hard pressed to prove that. xx WHS: That same delusional male-woman again spouting BS! 675 00:32:39,170 --> 00:32:41,239 If there was a big advantage 676 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,939 to being transgender in sports, 677 00:32:43,940 --> 00:32:47,269 then we would see transgender women totally dominating. xx WHS: Effeminate guy needs new glasses, that is what is happening! 678 00:32:47,270 --> 00:32:48,739 And over the last half of the pool, 679 00:32:48,740 --> 00:32:51,023 nobody will touch Lia Thomas. 680 00:32:56,930 --> 00:32:58,699 Transgender swimmer, Lia Thomas 681 00:32:58,700 --> 00:33:00,709 breaking barriers and records, 682 00:33:00,710 --> 00:33:02,479 but in a new article Sports Illustrated 683 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,829 calls the college senior 684 00:33:03,830 --> 00:33:06,889 the most controversial athlete in America. 685 00:33:06,890 --> 00:33:09,679 Lia obviously helps us do better, right? 686 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,339 Lia swimming really fast. Lia's performance helps 687 00:33:13,340 --> 00:33:15,109 the University of Pennsylvania swim team. 688 00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:17,209 The feeling of winning doesn't feel as good anymore 689 00:33:17,210 --> 00:33:18,619 'cause it feels tainted. 690 00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:21,079 There was a lot of things you couldn't talk about 691 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,499 that were very concerning. Like a locker room situation 692 00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:26,569 if you even brought up concerns about it, 693 00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:28,099 you were transphobic. 694 00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,409 If you even bring up the fact that Lia's swimming 695 00:33:30,410 --> 00:33:33,229 might not be fair, you were immediately shut down 696 00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:36,109 being called a hateful person or transphobic. 697 00:33:36,110 --> 00:33:38,599 But there's never any conversation? 698 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,809 The coaches don't sit everyone down and acknowledge 699 00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:43,099 what everyone's really upset about. 700 00:33:43,100 --> 00:33:45,589 So Penn actually brought in people high up 701 00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:47,179 in the athletic department to talk to us. 702 00:33:47,180 --> 00:33:49,036 They brought in someone from like the LGBTQ center. 703 00:33:49,037 --> 00:33:52,549 They brought in someone from the psychological services. 704 00:33:52,550 --> 00:33:55,139 So you're upset about what's happening and so- 705 00:33:55,140 --> 00:33:57,792 - Yeah. - You need psychological help. - Yeah. 706 00:33:57,793 --> 00:33:58,916 And they told us in this meeting, they said, 707 00:33:58,917 --> 00:34:01,069 "Look, we understand there's an array of emotions, 708 00:34:01,070 --> 00:34:03,326 but Lia's swimming is a non-negotiable." 709 00:34:03,327 --> 00:34:06,499 "However we can help you make that okay 710 00:34:06,500 --> 00:34:07,539 that's what we're here for." 711 00:34:07,540 --> 00:34:09,979 So you're anonymous for this interview. 712 00:34:09,980 --> 00:34:12,769 Why did you decide that you can't have your face out there 713 00:34:12,770 --> 00:34:13,610 saying these things? 714 00:34:13,611 --> 00:34:16,369 They've made it pretty clear that if you speak up about it 715 00:34:16,370 --> 00:34:18,589 and you say anything negative that like your life 716 00:34:18,590 --> 00:34:19,609 will be over in some way. 717 00:34:19,610 --> 00:34:22,219 Like you'll be blasted all over the internet as a transphobe 718 00:34:22,220 --> 00:34:24,859 if you come out and then you'll never be able to get a job. 719 00:34:24,860 --> 00:34:26,869 Like anyone who wants to hire you will look you up 720 00:34:26,870 --> 00:34:29,030 and see you're transphobic and your life will be over. 721 00:34:31,940 --> 00:34:35,809 Let's say that I identified as a woman tomorrow 722 00:34:35,810 --> 00:34:39,289 and I wanted to go into the same locker room where you are. 723 00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:40,790 Should I be allowed to do that 724 00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:44,029 - as long as I identify that way? - I don't know. 725 00:34:44,030 --> 00:34:46,639 I just feel that other women 726 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,750 would be uncomfortable by you walking in there. 727 00:34:57,331 --> 00:34:59,964 No. 728 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,309 Controversy at a health club in Koreatown 729 00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:06,702 - over the issue of gender. - That's right. 730 00:35:06,703 --> 00:35:10,069 Video of spa goers complaining was posted on social media. 731 00:35:10,070 --> 00:35:11,512 I just wanna be clear with you. 732 00:35:11,513 --> 00:35:14,569 It's okay, it's okay for a man 733 00:35:14,570 --> 00:35:16,759 to go into the women's section, 734 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,669 show his penis around the other women, 735 00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:24,949 young little girls underage, your spa, Wi Spa condone that, 736 00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:25,910 is that what you're saying? 737 00:35:25,911 --> 00:35:28,064 - Like I just said. - Like I asked. 738 00:35:28,065 --> 00:35:28,898 Like I mentioned- 739 00:35:28,899 --> 00:35:30,259 - So he, he could stay there? 740 00:35:30,260 --> 00:35:32,637 You cannot just come-- He could stay there? 741 00:35:32,638 --> 00:35:33,639 Sexual orientation. 742 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,049 What sexual orientation? I see a dick. 743 00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:37,729 Police identified the person involved 744 00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:40,819 as 52-year-old Darren Merager of Riverside county. 745 00:35:40,820 --> 00:35:44,329 Merager who has been a registered sex offender since 2006 746 00:35:44,330 --> 00:35:47,269 now faces five felony counts of indecent exposure. 747 00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:49,793 Hello, I'm Congressman Mark Takano. xx WHS: and someone who doesn't directly answer questions 748 00:35:49,794 --> 00:35:51,855 Trans month of visibility is a time 749 00:35:51,856 --> 00:35:55,669 to recognize the strength, diversity, and resiliency 750 00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:57,199 of the transgender community. 751 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,762 Together we can make our country and our world 752 00:35:59,763 --> 00:36:02,059 a more accepting place by speaking out 753 00:36:02,060 --> 00:36:04,009 against transphobia at the source, 754 00:36:04,010 --> 00:36:05,719 and supporting the trans community 755 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:08,603 by getting the Equality Act signed into law. 756 00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:11,209 Congressman, thank you for, for being here. 757 00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:14,509 Thanks for joining us. You are the first member of Congress 758 00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:16,549 who's a member of the LGBT community 759 00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:18,829 and also a person of Asian descent. 760 00:36:18,830 --> 00:36:22,009 You're also a big proponent of the Equality Act. 761 00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:23,719 - Yes. - What is the Equality Act? 762 00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:25,399 If you were to just summarize it very briefly. 763 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,629 I know it does a lot. 764 00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:30,919 The most simplest way to talk about the Equality Act 765 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,209 is that it simply amends the 1964 Civil Rights Act 766 00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:38,509 to include sexual orientation and gender identity. 767 00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:43,069 So public accommodations is one area. 768 00:36:43,070 --> 00:36:47,299 What's a way that someone whose LGBT is, 769 00:36:47,300 --> 00:36:50,989 could be discriminated in public accommodations currently? 770 00:36:50,990 --> 00:36:54,469 Currently, you know, public accommodations 771 00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:59,470 is the whole area of, you know, hotels and motels, and. 772 00:36:59,738 --> 00:37:02,929 Bathrooms, and sports teams is that? 773 00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:04,099 I'd say bathrooms-- Yeah. 774 00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:06,649 Sports teams, athletic events. 775 00:37:06,650 --> 00:37:09,859 Let's get into more specific policy issues. 776 00:37:09,860 --> 00:37:11,719 There, there are some women who say, and I've, 777 00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,682 I've talked to a few who say this. They say, "Hey, you know, 778 00:37:14,683 --> 00:37:18,926 I'd like some privacy in the bathroom." 779 00:37:18,927 --> 00:37:20,869 "I'd prefer not to encounter, 780 00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:22,697 you know, naked penises, frankly." 781 00:37:24,830 --> 00:37:29,640 They say even that the penis is a telltale sign 782 00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:33,415 that someone is a male. I mean, there, there are people 783 00:37:33,416 --> 00:37:35,646 who kind of really bought into the, 784 00:37:35,647 --> 00:37:39,259 to the rumor that only men have penises. 785 00:37:39,260 --> 00:37:42,919 What, how do we account for that? 786 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:44,573 How do you respond to that? 787 00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:48,900 Um. 788 00:37:51,140 --> 00:37:53,333 Well, um, 789 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:02,440 well, what I would say is that most transgender people 790 00:38:05,090 --> 00:38:09,030 that I know, um, and it's a very I think 791 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,729 distinct minority of people, 792 00:38:13,730 --> 00:38:16,909 it's a very, it's a, it is a, it is a very 793 00:38:16,910 --> 00:38:20,993 I think we're talking not about a lot of people. 794 00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:27,190 Um, I think a person who wants to use a woman's bathroom 795 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,559 who identifies as transgender 796 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,899 really does think themselves as a female. 797 00:38:32,900 --> 00:38:36,194 So how we go about trying to, 798 00:38:36,195 --> 00:38:41,195 um, you know, respect their basic right to live. xx WHS: Say what? People live, so WTH is he talking about? 799 00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:49,523 I think will be an important part of this law and um- 800 00:38:50,576 --> 00:38:51,520 - With a law-- Bathrooms. 801 00:38:51,521 --> 00:38:53,161 Well, wait a minute, bath, bathrooms are, 802 00:38:54,065 --> 00:38:55,939 bathrooms are, you know, 803 00:38:55,940 --> 00:38:57,940 where you want to take this conversation 804 00:38:58,850 --> 00:39:03,390 instead of the basic right to just life xx WHS: Right to life: WTF is he saying? Again! 805 00:39:04,910 --> 00:39:07,159 is something that I'm kind of mystified 806 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,169 that you're kind of not focusing on first. xx WHS: Why should he? Are all trans people getting killed? So shut the F up about your 'right to life'. 807 00:39:09,170 --> 00:39:12,593 We're going straight to the controversy over bathrooms. 808 00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:16,723 Um, so you know what I think this interview is over. xx WHS: This guy Mark Takano is a pathetic piece of shit! 809 00:39:16,724 --> 00:39:18,155 Yeah, I think we're gonna wrap it there. 810 00:39:18,156 --> 00:39:18,989 I think, I think this interview is over. 811 00:39:18,990 --> 00:39:20,269 I just said one last question. 812 00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:22,489 Uh, no, I, I, I, the interview is over. 813 00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:23,480 We want to know-- Please turn off the cameras. 814 00:39:23,481 --> 00:39:24,836 - What, what is a woman? - Please. 815 00:39:24,837 --> 00:39:26,502 - Just turn off the cameras. - Excuse me. 816 00:39:26,503 --> 00:39:27,380 So we're gonna end the interview. 817 00:39:27,381 --> 00:39:28,579 If you guys could please pack up 818 00:39:28,580 --> 00:39:29,689 and return the office exactly as- 819 00:39:29,690 --> 00:39:30,971 - I just wanted to know-- As you found it. 820 00:39:30,972 --> 00:39:32,089 - Okay, thank you. - I came all this way 821 00:39:32,090 --> 00:39:35,500 - to know what-- Thank you. - They're fair questions. 822 00:39:35,501 --> 00:39:36,334 I just wanted to know what is a woman. 823 00:39:36,335 --> 00:39:37,568 And you're not gonna find out. xx WHS: Said the POS helper of a POS congressman. 824 00:39:49,070 --> 00:39:52,043 My trip to California isn't providing many answers, 825 00:39:53,330 --> 00:39:55,493 but at least I'm making new friends. 826 00:39:56,420 --> 00:39:58,219 You worry about kids walking around out here? 827 00:39:58,220 --> 00:40:00,559 No, because I raised two daughters. 828 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,899 They're two of the most well-adjusted adults. 829 00:40:02,900 --> 00:40:05,089 They grew up around naked people. 830 00:40:05,090 --> 00:40:07,069 And there's been studies that have shown 831 00:40:07,070 --> 00:40:10,159 that children raised around non-sexual nudity 832 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,069 actually have fewer hangups when they're adults. 833 00:40:13,070 --> 00:40:13,903 People do have hangups. 834 00:40:13,904 --> 00:40:15,439 There's a lot of things hanging right now. 835 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,569 - Yeah. - During this conversation. 836 00:40:17,570 --> 00:40:19,399 Uh, can anyone be any gender they wanna be? 837 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,049 Can a man become a woman if he wants to be? 838 00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:23,239 I leave the, I mean, what people do 839 00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:24,439 that's personal choice. 840 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,379 People can live the life they want to. 841 00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:29,089 I, I'm trying to live the life I want to, an authentic life. 842 00:40:29,090 --> 00:40:31,069 - Yeah. - And I-- I can see that. - That's why I respect 843 00:40:31,070 --> 00:40:33,919 other people's rights to choose what they wanna do. 844 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:35,299 Well, why are you asking a gay man 845 00:40:35,300 --> 00:40:37,129 as to what it means to be a woman? 846 00:40:37,130 --> 00:40:39,139 You should be asking women what it means to be women, xx WHS: yes, in essence similar to what I said: How does anyone else really know what a woman wants, feels like and how she thinks? You can deduce a lot from appearance, behaviour, speaking but even women will probably not know to describe all their feelings. 847 00:40:39,140 --> 00:40:42,029 especially trans women who, what it means to be women. xx WHS: In essence I think he is saying: They are fakers... Otherwise it means: They should know, otherwise their transition story is bogus 848 00:40:42,030 --> 00:40:44,059 Well, I'm asking all kinds of people. 849 00:40:44,060 --> 00:40:46,189 Can anyone have an opinion about it? 850 00:40:46,190 --> 00:40:49,489 Only people who are women. Gay men don't know nothing xx WHS: Correct 851 00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:51,229 about what it means to be a woman. xx WHS: Correct 852 00:40:51,230 --> 00:40:52,909 Have you told gay men here in San Francisco 853 00:40:52,910 --> 00:40:54,529 that they're not allowed to talk about this? 854 00:40:54,530 --> 00:40:57,259 No. But I have, it's not like I come around 855 00:40:57,260 --> 00:41:00,079 and say what a gay man is allowed to be. 856 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,899 So you're saying, so you're saying if you're not a woman, 857 00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:04,189 then you shouldn't have an opinion. 858 00:41:04,190 --> 00:41:07,699 Where does a guy get a right to say what a woman is? 859 00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:09,323 Women only know what women are. 860 00:41:10,190 --> 00:41:15,210 - Are you a cat? - No. - Can you tell me what a cat is? xxx This is also coincidentally the example I gave a friend about this topic: You don't know how a cat thinks, feels, what he/she wants etc. You know a few things, that is all. 861 00:41:20,660 --> 00:41:22,159 This is actually a genuine mistake. 862 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,710 I am sorry I even came up here. xx WHS: Strange. This example with the cat shows exactly what he/she said about women... 863 00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:28,140 Do you wanna tell us what a woman is? 864 00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:34,039 If my friend in the purple hat is correct 865 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,203 and only women can tell me what a woman is, 866 00:41:37,250 --> 00:41:39,950 I guess I need to go where the women are. 867 00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:54,613 What, what is a woman? Can you tell me that? 868 00:41:57,354 --> 00:41:59,933 - Uh. - Well, you're at 869 00:41:59,934 --> 00:42:01,774 the women's march, you must to have some idea. 870 00:42:05,850 --> 00:42:08,933 So I see girl's vagina. 871 00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:11,059 Does that mean that they're the only people 872 00:42:11,060 --> 00:42:12,020 who can get pregnant? 873 00:42:12,021 --> 00:42:13,099 If men could get pregnant too, 874 00:42:13,100 --> 00:42:15,358 I think they want the right to choose. 875 00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:17,024 - Yeah. - But they, but men can get pregnant? 876 00:42:17,025 --> 00:42:18,919 We're saying someone who is born as a woman, 877 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,229 but identifies as a man, that-- Is that a man? 878 00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:23,570 - Real man. - It's a real man. - Yeah. xx WHS: No. 879 00:42:24,592 --> 00:42:26,097 So they, so men can get pregnant. 880 00:42:26,098 --> 00:42:27,386 Yes. 881 00:42:27,387 --> 00:42:29,749 - Yes. - If they have the parts to do so. xx WHS: That is not a man but a woman 882 00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:31,069 Is it just women that get birth or is it? 883 00:42:31,070 --> 00:42:33,649 - Or I guess yeah. - So, so men, so men can give birth too? 884 00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:35,539 Anyone with a vagina. 885 00:42:35,540 --> 00:42:37,459 Well, that could be a man or a woman. 886 00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:38,335 Well, I mean, I think 887 00:42:38,336 --> 00:42:40,249 that's the whole point, right? That it's fluid. 888 00:42:40,250 --> 00:42:42,831 The way that we define these things changes a lot. 889 00:42:42,832 --> 00:42:44,299 What are you doing here? 890 00:42:44,300 --> 00:42:45,167 I'm asking these questions. 891 00:42:45,168 --> 00:42:46,842 - Okay. - Trying to figure out what a woman is. 892 00:42:46,843 --> 00:42:48,508 That's why I'm here. And this is the women's march, 893 00:42:48,509 --> 00:42:50,089 I figured this is a good place to find out. 894 00:42:50,090 --> 00:42:51,589 I've come all this way to ask that question. 895 00:42:51,590 --> 00:42:52,699 Can anyone tell me what a woman is? 896 00:42:52,700 --> 00:42:55,752 If you're not here for women we ask you to leave! 897 00:42:55,753 --> 00:42:59,383 - What is that? - He's going to harass you. xx WHS: a-hole alert! 898 00:42:59,384 --> 00:43:01,232 - He's probably gonna harass you. - Am I harassing? 899 00:43:01,233 --> 00:43:04,251 - I'm asking a question. - Our bodies, our choice. 900 00:43:04,252 --> 00:43:06,157 - Who's body? - Our bodies, our choice. 901 00:43:06,158 --> 00:43:07,432 Our bodies, our choice. 902 00:43:07,433 --> 00:43:09,262 - What, what is a woman? - Our bodies- 903 00:43:09,263 --> 00:43:10,893 - Can, can anyone-- Our choice, our bodies. 904 00:43:10,894 --> 00:43:12,499 Here at the women's march tell me what a woman is? 905 00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:15,799 Our bodies, our-- Wear a mask, wear a mask! 906 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:16,969 How about you tell me what a woman is 907 00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:19,489 - and I'll put a mask on? - Wear a mask! - Sir, tell me 908 00:43:19,490 --> 00:43:21,410 what a woman is and I'll put a mask on. 909 00:43:28,032 --> 00:43:32,532 Asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole. xx WHS: Projection: They are talking about themselves... 910 00:43:33,727 --> 00:43:36,197 Please if one person could tell me what a woman is. 911 00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:42,949 Do you guys know what a woman is by any chance? 912 00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:45,889 No idea. xx WHS: A problem in asking laymen any definition is that people don't use definitions to differentiate, they know from various factors (the way they dress, talk, goals in life, etc.) 913 00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:50,890 I've been all over America, I still can't find an answer. xx WHS: A problem in asking laymen any definition is that people don't use definitions to differentiate, they know from various factors (the way they dress, talk, goals in life, etc.) 914 00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:57,808 Maybe I'm looking too close to home. 915 00:44:40,168 --> 00:44:42,289 We came a long way to come and talk to you guys. 916 00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:44,569 Thousands of miles from, from America. 917 00:44:44,570 --> 00:44:47,479 So thank you for inviting us into your tribe first of all. 918 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,689 I can say it is my pleasure to, to meet you. 919 00:44:50,690 --> 00:44:54,589 And feel most welcome. But you're here to learn with me. 920 00:44:54,590 --> 00:44:57,013 - I'm here to learn with you too. - Great. 921 00:45:01,460 --> 00:45:02,950 What's the right form here? 922 00:45:02,951 --> 00:45:08,002 It's just. 923 00:45:08,003 --> 00:45:10,063 - Just with the elbow. - Yeah. 924 00:45:13,130 --> 00:45:14,539 I mean, they're laughing, so I guess it's not good, 925 00:45:14,540 --> 00:45:16,229 but I thought it was pretty good. 926 00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:18,469 Not good enough to be a man yet in your tribe but. 927 00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:19,303 What does a man do? 928 00:45:19,304 --> 00:45:22,279 What, what are his roles within the tribe? 929 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:27,280 The role of a man you need to work for your woman. 930 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,909 Secondly to have children. If you have children 931 00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:34,082 and you don't have something to feed them, 932 00:45:34,083 --> 00:45:37,453 you are not still a man. 933 00:45:50,907 --> 00:45:55,281 - There you go. All right. - Yeah. 934 00:45:55,282 --> 00:45:56,682 - Okay. - That's the blood. 935 00:46:04,310 --> 00:46:07,211 Was the best raw kid I've had in my life. 936 00:46:11,090 --> 00:46:13,309 What if a man decides 937 00:46:13,310 --> 00:46:17,182 that he wants to do the roles of a woman? 938 00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:28,392 Uh, in Maasai community, it do not exist at all. 939 00:46:28,393 --> 00:46:29,603 Doesn't exist. 940 00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:32,599 What if a man decides that his, 941 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,203 his gender identity is, is woman? 942 00:46:47,443 --> 00:46:51,859 A woman has it own duty and a man has it own duty. 943 00:46:51,860 --> 00:46:54,379 And a lady cannot do the duty of a man 944 00:46:54,380 --> 00:46:56,550 and a man cannot do a duty of a woman. 945 00:46:57,860 --> 00:47:01,493 Can a man become a woman? 946 00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:09,923 - No. - No? - No. - What about a transgender? 947 00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:12,972 - What? - Transgender? 948 00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:20,089 - No. - No? - It'll look like to, 949 00:47:20,090 --> 00:47:23,509 if you want to become a lady but your man 950 00:47:23,510 --> 00:47:25,623 - you have something wrong-- Something wrong? - In your mind. 951 00:47:25,624 --> 00:47:27,314 Something wrong in your family. 952 00:47:27,315 --> 00:47:30,019 Something wrong in you. 953 00:47:30,020 --> 00:47:33,079 What about if someone was non-binary? 954 00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,229 - Come again? - Non-binary. - Uh-huh. 955 00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:41,230 Do you know like non, like someone is, is- 956 00:47:41,630 --> 00:47:43,489 - You're not a woman, you're not a man. 957 00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:45,859 Yeah, someone's like, someone is, is neither. 958 00:47:45,860 --> 00:47:48,063 They're something else. Is that? 959 00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,049 He's saying we have never seen things like those. 960 00:48:00,050 --> 00:48:04,789 For a man he has a penis. For a woman has a vagina. 961 00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:07,309 So we know this is a lady, this is a man. 962 00:48:07,310 --> 00:48:09,109 What if it's a woman with a, 963 00:48:09,110 --> 00:48:12,838 - what if it's a woman with a penis? - What? 964 00:48:12,839 --> 00:48:16,203 Is that? 965 00:48:19,736 --> 00:48:22,428 People are laughing. 966 00:48:22,429 --> 00:48:24,073 Is that, is that a dumb question? 967 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,149 Uh, they're just laughing 968 00:48:29,150 --> 00:48:31,579 because they have never hear something like that. 969 00:48:31,580 --> 00:48:34,619 - This they're first time. Yeah. - Never heard it before? 970 00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:38,749 A woman have a penis and she's a woman. 971 00:48:38,750 --> 00:48:40,609 In my country, I can't go day without hearing it. 972 00:48:40,610 --> 00:48:41,749 We hear it every day. 973 00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:43,459 So in my country, sometimes you'll hear people say, 974 00:48:43,460 --> 00:48:45,529 a man will say, I, that I'm a, 975 00:48:45,530 --> 00:48:47,209 I'm a woman trapped in a man's body. 976 00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:49,512 And so they say that I have a woman trapped inside me. 977 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,029 - They want to know a woman has the breast. - Breast, yeah. 978 00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:07,193 Secondly, she has, she has a vagina. 979 00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:12,413 - Vagina. - And the question is, does this man deliver? 980 00:49:13,610 --> 00:49:18,679 Does he deliver babies? 981 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,801 No, not as far as I know. 982 00:49:24,197 --> 00:49:27,379 The question is, let's say, if you want to sleep a woman, 983 00:49:27,380 --> 00:49:30,792 - definitely you'll do sex. - Sex with a woman, yeah. 984 00:49:30,793 --> 00:49:33,049 And you the vagina is it? 985 00:49:33,050 --> 00:49:35,237 But for the man where do you? 986 00:49:36,791 --> 00:49:37,941 He asked that question. 987 00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:41,012 I don't know all the logistics of it. 988 00:49:41,013 --> 00:49:45,289 Based on what I'm saying, 989 00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:47,282 would you ever wanna move to America? 990 00:49:50,247 --> 00:49:56,213 They say no, never. 991 00:49:57,530 --> 00:50:00,534 What, what is a woman? If you had to give a, a definition. 992 00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:07,317 She say a woman delivered. 993 00:50:07,318 --> 00:50:09,752 - Yeah. - A man cannot. - So it sounds like you, 994 00:50:09,753 --> 00:50:13,879 you don't spend a lot of time thinking about gender. 995 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:14,989 You don't, you just kind of live your lives. 996 00:50:14,990 --> 00:50:16,190 You don't think much about it. 997 00:50:19,932 --> 00:50:23,419 He said "No, because we believe that's a God plan." 998 00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:25,153 God's plan. 999 00:50:25,154 --> 00:50:28,939 He's saying, "That I'm shocked on what you're telling me." 1000 00:50:28,940 --> 00:50:32,089 - He's shocked. - Yeah. 1001 00:50:32,090 --> 00:50:35,389 The Maasai people don't think much about gender, 1002 00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:38,329 but they have a firm sense of their identity. 1003 00:50:38,330 --> 00:50:39,949 It's clear that gender ideology 1004 00:50:39,950 --> 00:50:42,679 is a uniquely Western phenomenon. 1005 00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,749 So where did all this come from? 1006 00:50:44,750 --> 00:50:49,279 Who came up with it and why? 1007 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,109 Matt, I, I want, I wanna show this to you. 1008 00:50:51,110 --> 00:50:53,996 You're a parent, right? Okay. 1009 00:50:53,997 --> 00:50:58,997 "It's Perfectly Normal", for 10 years and up. 1010 00:50:59,060 --> 00:51:01,433 Here's just one page I want you to see here. 1011 00:51:07,580 --> 00:51:08,630 For 10 and up, huh? 1012 00:51:09,620 --> 00:51:12,649 It's it's unspeakable what these people 1013 00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:15,049 - have done to our children. - When, when did that start? 1014 00:51:15,050 --> 00:51:17,209 When was it decided that we need to start teaching kids 1015 00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:19,009 about this stuff at such a young age? 1016 00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:22,999 So I'll answer that with one word, Kinsey. 1017 00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:28,556 Kinsey was a social reformer. 1018 00:51:28,557 --> 00:51:33,169 He wanted to rid society of Judeo-Christian values 1019 00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:35,239 when it came to sexuality, 1020 00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:37,669 and he worked very hard to do that. 1021 00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:40,343 And I would say he succeeded. 1022 00:51:41,420 --> 00:51:44,959 Kinsey would be very happy with our culture today. 1023 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,739 His idea was that children are sexual from birth. 1024 00:51:48,740 --> 00:51:50,989 That we're all inherently sexual creatures 1025 00:51:50,990 --> 00:51:52,369 from cradle to grave. 1026 00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:54,769 He believed that true happiness is found 1027 00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:57,889 in a life of perverse sexual experimentation, 1028 00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:59,119 no matter the age. 1029 00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,573 What came out is that his research was fraudulent. 1030 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,839 Kinsey based, his fraudulent conclusions on data 1031 00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,759 he collected from convicted sex offenders 1032 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,425 and child molesters. 1033 00:52:09,426 --> 00:52:11,942 His research was conducted in prisons, not everyday America. 1034 00:52:12,775 --> 00:52:16,009 He also performed horrific sexual experiments on children, 1035 00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:18,794 some under the age of one. 1036 00:52:18,795 --> 00:52:19,767 His most influential book, 1037 00:52:19,768 --> 00:52:21,979 "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male" 1038 00:52:21,980 --> 00:52:25,069 contains an infamous chart called table 34, 1039 00:52:25,070 --> 00:52:27,739 which documents the orgasms of very young kids, 1040 00:52:27,740 --> 00:52:30,023 including babies as young as five months old. 1041 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,749 But instead of suffering the consequences 1042 00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:34,129 for his heinous actions, 1043 00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:38,089 he was and still is celebrated by academia and Hollywood. 1044 00:52:38,090 --> 00:52:40,939 His ideas formed the foundation for sexual education 1045 00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:42,619 in public schools today. 1046 00:52:42,620 --> 00:52:46,249 How do we get from this to you can choose your own gender? 1047 00:52:46,250 --> 00:52:48,079 Okay, well now we have another 1048 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,549 and very important character, and his name was John Money. 1049 00:52:52,550 --> 00:52:54,979 John Money was a psychologist and professor 1050 00:52:54,980 --> 00:52:57,349 at Johns Hopkins University. 1051 00:52:57,350 --> 00:53:00,469 Gender ideology was his brain child. xx WHS: Not really, in that it would have happened anyway as a result of political correctness... 1052 00:53:00,470 --> 00:53:01,789 In fact, he coined the terms 1053 00:53:01,790 --> 00:53:03,743 gender identity and gender roles. 1054 00:53:04,610 --> 00:53:08,149 And according to Money, babies are gender neutral at birth xx WHS: This shows that he didn't understand the influence of biology... 1055 00:53:08,150 --> 00:53:09,949 and ultimately environment determines 1056 00:53:09,950 --> 00:53:11,869 whether a person is a man or a woman. xx WHS: complete nonsense. See 46 XY DSD athletes such as Semenya, Niyonsaba etc. who are men, misdiagnosed as girls, supposedly grew up as girls and look, act, move, talk, as men... 1057 00:53:11,870 --> 00:53:15,049 Money was telling the world about his theory 1058 00:53:15,050 --> 00:53:17,989 that a boy could be raised as a girl 1059 00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:20,629 and do just fine and vice versa. 1060 00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:21,535 And so money tried out his theory 1061 00:53:21,536 --> 00:53:24,529 on two young twin boys, the Reimer twins. 1062 00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:27,679 When the twins were eight months old 1063 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,719 and they went to be circumcised, 1064 00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:33,589 the first twin, whose name was Bruce, 1065 00:53:33,590 --> 00:53:37,189 something went wrong with the machinery 1066 00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:39,559 and his penis was burnt off. 1067 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,599 They stopped and didn't do a second circumcision 1068 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,969 on the other twin, as you might imagine. 1069 00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:47,119 And the parents of course didn't know what to do. 1070 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:48,799 How are they gonna raise this child? 1071 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,659 John Money convinced Bruce's parents 1072 00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:52,729 to transition him into a girl. 1073 00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:55,579 Money also conducted sexually abusive experiments 1074 00:53:55,580 --> 00:53:57,409 on the twins throughout their childhood, 1075 00:53:57,410 --> 00:54:00,289 including forcing them to simulate sex acts on each other. xx WHS: This "John Money" from these actions looks to have been a psychopath 1076 00:54:00,290 --> 00:54:03,049 He reported up to the age of 10 1077 00:54:03,050 --> 00:54:08,269 that this was a complete success. Well, wasn't true. 1078 00:54:08,270 --> 00:54:10,789 The results were a disaster. 1079 00:54:10,790 --> 00:54:13,549 Bruce could never fully accept his female identity. 1080 00:54:13,550 --> 00:54:15,109 Eventually his parents told him the truth 1081 00:54:15,110 --> 00:54:17,689 and he chose to transition back to a boy, 1082 00:54:17,690 --> 00:54:21,169 taking the name David. As an adult, David spoke out 1083 00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:24,259 about the abuse and the damage done to him by John Money. 1084 00:54:24,260 --> 00:54:27,289 The girls would do their things with their Barbies 1085 00:54:27,290 --> 00:54:28,123 and things like that, 1086 00:54:28,124 --> 00:54:31,572 - and that wouldn't interest me. - Mm-hmm. 1087 00:54:31,573 --> 00:54:36,409 And things such as trucks, and building forts, 1088 00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:38,929 and, you know, get into the odd fist fight 1089 00:54:38,930 --> 00:54:41,509 and climbing trees, that's the kind of stuff that I liked, 1090 00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:43,999 but it was unacceptable. So I never-- As a girl. 1091 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,699 As, as a girl, I had no place to, to fit in. 1092 00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:48,979 The trauma that he and his brother 1093 00:54:48,980 --> 00:54:53,449 and his entire family went through left deep scars. 1094 00:54:53,450 --> 00:54:58,450 His brother died of an overdose when he was 38, 1095 00:54:58,730 --> 00:55:01,673 and then David died, committed suicide. 1096 00:55:03,050 --> 00:55:04,759 There was never a retraction 1097 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:06,739 or an apology from John Money, 1098 00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:09,769 instead his ideas were adopted by mainstream psychology 1099 00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:13,099 and they formed the basis of gender ideology today. 1100 00:55:13,100 --> 00:55:14,659 Why don't more people know 1101 00:55:14,660 --> 00:55:17,839 about John Money and Alfred Kinsey? 1102 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,909 Evidently there are forces 1103 00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:21,760 that don't want this information out. 1104 00:55:23,860 --> 00:55:27,482 I, I never fit. 1105 00:55:27,483 --> 00:55:29,119 I was a, I was an alpha female, 1106 00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,693 a sales executive that kind of just didn't fit in any box. 1107 00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:39,169 When psychologists, or somebody that I was in love with, 1108 00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:41,029 or whatever said that I was in the wrong body, 1109 00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:43,793 I started to think, well, maybe I am. 1110 00:55:47,330 --> 00:55:51,829 I'm a biological woman that medically transitioned 1111 00:55:51,830 --> 00:55:53,509 to appear like a male 1112 00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:56,389 through synthetic hormones and surgery. 1113 00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:59,839 I will never be a man. 1114 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:04,249 Is it transphobic for me to tell the truth? 1115 00:56:04,250 --> 00:56:06,319 Why is it in a couple hundred years from now 1116 00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:07,339 if you dug up my body, 1117 00:56:07,340 --> 00:56:10,823 they're gonna go, yep, that was a woman. Had babies. 1118 00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:16,402 Can you tell me about the procedures that you, you had? 1119 00:56:16,403 --> 00:56:17,873 I've had seven surgeries. 1120 00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:20,749 I've had one stress heart attack. 1121 00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:24,169 I've had a helicopter life ride with a pulmonary embolism. 1122 00:56:24,170 --> 00:56:29,119 I've had 17 rounds of antibiotics. I had six inches of hair 1123 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,539 on the inside of my urethra for 17 months. 1124 00:56:32,540 --> 00:56:33,649 Nobody would help me, 1125 00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:35,136 including the doctor that did this to me, 1126 00:56:35,137 --> 00:56:37,459 'cause I lost my insurance. 1127 00:56:37,460 --> 00:56:39,739 I get infections every three to four months. 1128 00:56:39,740 --> 00:56:42,203 I'm probably not gonna live very long. 1129 00:56:43,700 --> 00:56:45,259 Was there any real discussion 1130 00:56:45,260 --> 00:56:48,492 of the risks and the side effects and? 1131 00:56:48,493 --> 00:56:52,639 No, no, there's not. 1132 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,649 And I know that people want to think that there is, 1133 00:56:54,650 --> 00:56:55,650 but there's not. 1134 00:56:56,450 --> 00:57:00,109 The truth is, is that medical transition is experimental. 1135 00:57:00,110 --> 00:57:04,339 We have studies that said that medical transition 1136 00:57:04,340 --> 00:57:06,949 helps mental health, helps mental health with kids. 1137 00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:10,849 They've all been retracted, modified, changed. 1138 00:57:10,850 --> 00:57:14,689 But the only long-term study tells us seven to 10 years 1139 00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:18,053 is when transgender people are the most suicidal. 1140 00:57:19,100 --> 00:57:23,929 - After. - After surgery. But that's transphobic to say. 1141 00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:26,989 For the first time in history 1142 00:57:26,990 --> 00:57:31,039 a marginalized group has a huge dollar sign 1143 00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,869 on the top of their head. We have five children's hospitals 1144 00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:39,773 in the United States promoting that. 1145 00:57:43,285 --> 00:57:46,429 - What? - That's a phalloplasty. That's a bottom surgery. 1146 00:57:46,430 --> 00:57:50,959 We have five children's hospitals in the United States 1147 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:55,960 telling girls that they can be boys at $70,000 a pop 1148 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:03,049 in a surgery that has a 67% complication rate 1149 00:58:03,050 --> 00:58:08,050 that will kill me from infection that I can't sue on. 1150 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,089 We're butchering a generation of children 1151 00:58:11,090 --> 00:58:13,999 because nobody's willing to talk about anything. 1152 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,720 I have three kids 1153 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,933 at the age that they're doing this to kids. 1154 00:58:22,490 --> 00:58:24,499 I'm not transphobic. 1155 00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:27,409 I love my kids and I love other people's kids. 1156 00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:28,823 And you should too. 1157 00:58:30,140 --> 00:58:35,140 This is wrong on so many levels. 1158 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,059 Can kids consent? Do you think kids are-- No. 1159 00:58:38,060 --> 00:58:40,099 - Capable of consenting to this? - No, they're not. 1160 00:58:40,100 --> 00:58:43,489 Being a parent is loving the hell outta your kids 1161 00:58:43,490 --> 00:58:45,979 and helping them see around corners. 1162 00:58:45,980 --> 00:58:47,449 What's the, what's the youngest patient 1163 00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:49,313 that you've operated on? 1164 00:58:50,450 --> 00:58:53,340 The youngest patient I've done vaginal plasty on 1165 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,920 - um, is age 16. - Do you worry that minors 1166 00:59:00,740 --> 00:59:03,079 just don't understand enough about themselves? 1167 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,059 They're not neurologically developed enough yet 1168 00:59:05,060 --> 00:59:10,819 - to make permanent life altering decisions. - Absolutely not. 1169 00:59:10,820 --> 00:59:13,789 A young person's self-perception 1170 00:59:13,790 --> 00:59:15,709 one day they may be clear, 1171 00:59:15,710 --> 00:59:19,039 the next day they may be totally confused and not sure. 1172 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,909 And you're affirming it with hormones 1173 00:59:22,910 --> 00:59:25,699 that have never been used in this way. 1174 00:59:25,700 --> 00:59:28,009 In the, in the field of medicine. 1175 00:59:28,010 --> 00:59:29,389 You're talking about puberty blockers. 1176 00:59:29,390 --> 00:59:32,449 Blockers, and then opposite sex hormones. 1177 00:59:32,450 --> 00:59:34,519 At what age does the medical transition 1178 00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,599 - begin with medication? - So medical affirmation 1179 00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,779 begins when the patient says they're ready for it. 1180 00:59:41,780 --> 00:59:44,209 So that could be a, a kiddo 1181 00:59:44,210 --> 00:59:47,599 who is just starting puberty and panicking 1182 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:49,069 'cause they're getting breast buds 1183 00:59:49,070 --> 00:59:52,399 or their penis is getting bigger and busier, 1184 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,669 and they're worried about all kinds of masculine changes. 1185 00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:57,589 And that way puberty blockers, 1186 00:59:57,590 --> 01:00:00,109 which are completely reversible, 1187 01:00:00,110 --> 01:00:02,839 and don't have permanent effects xx WHS: oh really, what about development will that continue as normal after 1-2 years or final growth will be less etc.? 1188 01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,949 are wonderful because we can put that pause on puberty. 1189 01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:08,479 Just like if you were to listen in music, 1190 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,449 you put the pause on, and we stop the blockers, xx WHS: The facial expressions of this woman make me think she is retarded... or with no connection to reality 1191 01:00:11,450 --> 01:00:14,809 and puberty would go right back to where it was, 1192 01:00:14,810 --> 01:00:19,279 the next note in the song just delayed that period of time. 1193 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:21,919 - You can just pause puberty. - No you can't. 1194 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:22,753 And then pick it up- 1195 01:00:22,754 --> 01:00:25,039 - No you can't. - In the future. - No you can't. 1196 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,439 How many studies do they have, long-term studies 1197 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:31,369 on hormone blockers with children? None. 1198 01:00:31,370 --> 01:00:33,559 I just spoke a month or two ago 1199 01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:38,560 with a mother whose 14-year-old daughter 1200 01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:44,419 was put on blockers. They discovered after two years 1201 01:00:44,420 --> 01:00:46,969 this 14-year-old girl has osteoporosis. 1202 01:00:46,970 --> 01:00:49,219 That's something that like old women get. xx WHS: So this is exactly the thing I expected as per my previous comment: growth in those 2 years are not as normal and likely has consequences, with this girl it is osteoporosis. So puberty blockers are not a pause, as I suspected... 1203 01:00:49,220 --> 01:00:51,589 How can doctors assure parents 1204 01:00:51,590 --> 01:00:54,619 that a certain medicine is totally safe? 1205 01:00:54,620 --> 01:00:55,520 If based on what you're saying, 1206 01:00:55,521 --> 01:00:57,979 they can't possibly know that. 1207 01:00:57,980 --> 01:01:00,049 How can they be removing the healthy breasts 1208 01:01:00,050 --> 01:01:04,943 of 15-year-old girls? How can they be sterilizing kids? 1209 01:01:06,451 --> 01:01:08,959 How can this whole thing be happening, Matt? 1210 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,679 Every child that they convince is, is transgender 1211 01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:14,269 and in need of medical transition 1212 01:01:14,270 --> 01:01:18,319 it generates 1.3 million to pharma. 1213 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,429 And we're believing a pharmaceutical company, Lupron, 1214 01:01:22,430 --> 01:01:26,359 hormone blockers reversible so they say. 1215 01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:30,439 Well, the truth is that in 2003 Lupron was sued 1216 01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:33,949 and deemed a criminal enterprise by the US government. 1217 01:01:33,950 --> 01:01:37,879 They paid the most fine of any pharmaceutical company 1218 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:42,289 at that time, $874 million, wrote a check. 1219 01:01:42,290 --> 01:01:46,243 - Is Lupron chemical castration? - Yes. 1220 01:01:49,460 --> 01:01:51,409 We're giving it to pedophiles aren't we? 1221 01:01:51,410 --> 01:01:52,669 We're giving it to people that are dying. 1222 01:01:52,670 --> 01:01:54,589 And we're giving it to kids telling them 1223 01:01:54,590 --> 01:01:55,909 that they were born in the wrong body 1224 01:01:55,910 --> 01:01:57,409 and it's completely safe. 1225 01:01:57,410 --> 01:01:59,119 One of the drugs used is Lupron, right? 1226 01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,339 - Which-- Mm-hmm. - Has actually been used 1227 01:02:01,340 --> 01:02:03,833 to chemically castrate sex offenders. 1228 01:02:04,676 --> 01:02:05,889 You know what? 1229 01:02:05,890 --> 01:02:07,819 I'm not sure that we should continue with this interview, 1230 01:02:07,820 --> 01:02:08,653 because it seems like it's going- 1231 01:02:08,654 --> 01:02:10,849 - Why not? - In a particular direction. 1232 01:02:10,850 --> 01:02:12,199 Well, you're a medical professional. 1233 01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:13,819 I am a medical professional. xx WHS: not really, she is a crackpot, obvious from her actions, way of talking etc. 1234 01:02:13,820 --> 01:02:16,099 So you don't wanna talk about the drugs 1235 01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:17,737 that you give to kids or? 1236 01:02:18,625 --> 01:02:22,099 Again, I'm a physician and I use medication. 1237 01:02:22,100 --> 01:02:25,702 You're choosing exploitive words, drugs I give to kids. 1238 01:02:25,703 --> 01:02:26,899 I'm, I'm choosing a- 1239 01:02:26,900 --> 01:02:28,879 - Chemical castration. - Word that was in a dictionary. 1240 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,949 That's not a correct term for puberty blocking 1241 01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:31,783 - in a transgender person. - I mean I could 1242 01:02:31,783 --> 01:02:32,616 look it up on my phone, 1243 01:02:32,616 --> 01:02:33,563 but I'm pretty sure if I looked it up like- 1244 01:02:33,564 --> 01:02:35,419 - You, you can look it up on your phone. 1245 01:02:35,420 --> 01:02:38,419 It says, "Medical definition, the administration of a drug 1246 01:02:38,420 --> 01:02:40,999 to bring about a marked reduction of the body's production 1247 01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,829 of androgens and especially testosterone." 1248 01:02:42,830 --> 01:02:45,859 And I'm saying as a pediatrician 1249 01:02:45,860 --> 01:02:47,779 who takes care of hundreds of these kids, 1250 01:02:47,780 --> 01:02:49,969 when you use that terminology 1251 01:02:49,970 --> 01:02:51,798 you were being malignant and harmful. xx WHS: GTFO 1252 01:02:51,799 --> 01:02:53,239 I mean, there are some who would say 1253 01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:57,589 that giving chemical drugs to kids is malignant and harmful. 1254 01:02:57,590 --> 01:03:00,049 It's about the context of caring for a child 1255 01:03:00,050 --> 01:03:05,050 and, and seeing the, the suffering that kids 1256 01:03:05,090 --> 01:03:08,945 can have that have not been an affirmative home situations. 1257 01:03:08,946 --> 01:03:10,169 What do you say to the claim that, 1258 01:03:10,170 --> 01:03:13,459 well, we have to do this for these kids 1259 01:03:13,460 --> 01:03:16,399 because if we don't, they'll kill themselves, 1260 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,429 they'll, they'll resort to drugs and self harm? 1261 01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:21,289 A lot of them were hurting themselves. 1262 01:03:21,290 --> 01:03:22,609 A lot of them were suicidal 1263 01:03:22,610 --> 01:03:24,979 before they even discovered gender. 1264 01:03:24,980 --> 01:03:28,309 That is never part of the discussion. 1265 01:03:28,310 --> 01:03:30,949 And they say, what would you rather 1266 01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:34,549 have a, a living daughter or a dead son? 1267 01:03:34,550 --> 01:03:37,219 If this is what the professionals are saying, 1268 01:03:37,220 --> 01:03:42,383 it's terrible emotional blackmail. 1269 01:03:43,700 --> 01:03:45,790 - Hello? - Hey, is this? 1270 01:03:45,791 --> 01:03:48,679 - This is yes. - Hey it's it's Matt Walsh. 1271 01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,959 Are you, where are you right now? 1272 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,759 I'm, I'm in Vancouver, British Columbia, 1273 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:54,172 Canada right now. 1274 01:03:54,173 --> 01:03:56,423 Are you, can, are you able to leave? 1275 01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:58,879 I'm not able to leave B.C. 1276 01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:01,874 I can't even go to another province in Canada right now. 1277 01:04:01,875 --> 01:04:04,325 Uh, and it's because I'm technically out on bail. 1278 01:04:05,300 --> 01:04:09,347 What happened exactly? 1279 01:04:26,990 --> 01:04:30,319 How exactly did, did this get into the courts to begin with? 1280 01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:31,369 Right, so what happened 1281 01:04:31,370 --> 01:04:33,979 is we set up a meeting with B.C. Children's Hospital 1282 01:04:33,980 --> 01:04:36,829 and according to the B.C. Children's Hospital website, 1283 01:04:36,830 --> 01:04:38,539 there's gonna be a thorough evaluation. 1284 01:04:38,540 --> 01:04:40,909 and I'm thinking, good. This is gonna be the end of it all. 1285 01:04:40,910 --> 01:04:42,559 They're gonna clearly see that my child 1286 01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,359 is not the opposite sex. 1287 01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:48,049 So my ex-wife brings my child into B.C. Children's hospital. 1288 01:04:48,050 --> 01:04:50,839 I get a call less than an hour into that appointment 1289 01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:52,969 that they were gonna pump her full cross-sex hormones 1290 01:04:52,970 --> 01:04:56,323 within the hour. And I put a halt to that. I said, no. 1291 01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,239 They agreed to, to stop for the moment. 1292 01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:01,009 They figured, well, let's get the dad on board too. 1293 01:05:01,010 --> 01:05:02,000 This is all gonna be better. 1294 01:05:02,001 --> 01:05:03,679 Let's just get everybody on the same page. 1295 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,119 I said, it's not gonna happen. 1296 01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,189 So I get a letter from B.C. Children's Hospital 1297 01:05:07,190 --> 01:05:09,739 in December of 2018, 1298 01:05:09,740 --> 01:05:11,629 and it says, "That under the B.C. Infant's Act 1299 01:05:11,630 --> 01:05:14,659 they will start injecting my child with cross-sex hormones, 1300 01:05:14,660 --> 01:05:17,449 and I have two weeks to respond with legal action 1301 01:05:17,450 --> 01:05:20,179 if I so choose." And so that's how I ended up in court 1302 01:05:20,180 --> 01:05:22,219 'cause I did respond with legal action. 1303 01:05:22,220 --> 01:05:25,699 So you called your daughter a she, 1304 01:05:25,700 --> 01:05:28,489 and you, you went to jail for that? 1305 01:05:28,490 --> 01:05:30,259 It's considered criminal violence 1306 01:05:30,260 --> 01:05:32,749 to not use the preferred pronouns. 1307 01:05:32,750 --> 01:05:35,659 It's no different than let's say I were to take a broomstick 1308 01:05:35,660 --> 01:05:37,669 and whack one of my kids over the head. 1309 01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:39,889 So they were treating it in a similar fashion 1310 01:05:39,890 --> 01:05:42,679 that misgendering, mispronouning my child 1311 01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,439 was the equivalent of family violence. xx WHS: These people in Canada are insane. 1312 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,490 Is she on the hormone pills now? 1313 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:49,790 She is. 1314 01:05:49,791 --> 01:05:52,590 The court ordered that she could do whatever she wanted. 1315 01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,820 2010 until I would say 2016, 1316 01:06:00,740 --> 01:06:04,039 I would say 80% of my clients were trans youth. 1317 01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:08,959 Now it is you identify, you take hormones, you do surgery. 1318 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:12,139 There isn't any other pathways. 1319 01:06:12,140 --> 01:06:14,239 So if you have two parents, 1320 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,749 one parent wants to affirm the trans identity, 1321 01:06:17,750 --> 01:06:19,849 the other parent doesn't who wins that battle? 1322 01:06:19,850 --> 01:06:22,002 - The one who wants to affirm. - Every time? 1323 01:06:22,003 --> 01:06:22,836 Every single time. 1324 01:06:22,837 --> 01:06:26,735 The goal is to get the parents to affirm the kid. 1325 01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,329 There's no such thing as a gender affirming therapist. 1326 01:06:35,330 --> 01:06:37,662 - That's a contradiction in terms. - Why? 1327 01:06:37,663 --> 01:06:39,379 Because you don't affirm if you're a therapist. 1328 01:06:39,380 --> 01:06:41,183 It's not your business to affirm. 1329 01:06:42,140 --> 01:06:44,419 You come to see me 'cause there's something wrong. 1330 01:06:44,420 --> 01:06:45,350 Maybe you come to see me 1331 01:06:45,351 --> 01:06:47,059 because a destructive element of you 1332 01:06:47,060 --> 01:06:48,979 is wreaking havoc in your life. 1333 01:06:48,980 --> 01:06:50,539 I'm on the side of the part of you 1334 01:06:50,540 --> 01:06:54,139 that wants to aim up, man. That's what I'm on the side of. 1335 01:06:54,140 --> 01:06:56,749 Okay, now I don't know what that means in your case, 1336 01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:58,179 but we're gonna talk about it. 1337 01:06:58,180 --> 01:07:00,589 Am I gonna affirm what you think? 1338 01:07:00,590 --> 01:07:02,689 No, it's not up to me to affirm it. 1339 01:07:02,690 --> 01:07:05,269 You don't get a casual pat on the back from a therapist 1340 01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:08,149 for your preexisting axiomatic conclusions. 1341 01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:10,819 That's not therapy. That's a rubber stamp. 1342 01:07:10,820 --> 01:07:15,709 Is anybody at any point explaining to these kids 1343 01:07:15,710 --> 01:07:18,469 the, the, the real long-term consequences 1344 01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:20,929 of hormones and puberty blockers? 1345 01:07:20,930 --> 01:07:23,119 I don't think they're explaining it to the kids. 1346 01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,409 So that has frightened me, 1347 01:07:24,410 --> 01:07:28,729 that it's become that we're even talking to the kids 1348 01:07:28,730 --> 01:07:31,879 about it at 10, we're presenting it in schools. 1349 01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,680 So this generation, they're the, they're the lab rats? 1350 01:07:36,260 --> 01:07:38,419 Biological sex binary. 1351 01:07:38,420 --> 01:07:41,059 It's been binary for like a hundred million years, 1352 01:07:41,060 --> 01:07:41,893 longer than that. 1353 01:07:41,894 --> 01:07:44,629 Temperament is not binary, temperament or personality. 1354 01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:46,729 So that's gender. Temperament is gender? 1355 01:07:46,730 --> 01:07:50,629 Well, gender's not a good word, 1356 01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:53,689 because it's vague and it isn't measurable. 1357 01:07:53,690 --> 01:07:55,355 So do we need it? Why can we just say temperament? 1358 01:07:55,356 --> 01:07:56,809 What do we even need the word gender for? 1359 01:07:56,810 --> 01:07:59,429 - Well, I don't need it. - Yeah. - But what I would say 1360 01:07:59,430 --> 01:08:02,989 is that people who talk about the diversity and gender 1361 01:08:02,990 --> 01:08:04,189 are actually talking 1362 01:08:04,190 --> 01:08:06,259 about diversity, and personality, and temperament, 1363 01:08:06,260 --> 01:08:07,459 but they don't know it. 1364 01:08:07,460 --> 01:08:10,069 You can have a masculine temperament if you're a woman. 1365 01:08:10,070 --> 01:08:13,969 Maybe one in 10 women have the average temperament of a man. 1366 01:08:13,970 --> 01:08:16,339 And you can have feminine men temperamentally. 1367 01:08:16,340 --> 01:08:18,769 And it's not that uncommon, because the differences 1368 01:08:18,770 --> 01:08:21,649 between men and women temperamentally aren't that great. 1369 01:08:21,650 --> 01:08:24,889 There are masculine girls. There are feminine boys. 1370 01:08:24,890 --> 01:08:27,349 What are we gonna do about that? Carve them up. 1371 01:08:27,350 --> 01:08:31,339 You as someone who, who started your professional life, 1372 01:08:31,340 --> 01:08:34,129 - you know, transgender care. - Yeah. 1373 01:08:34,130 --> 01:08:36,319 Now you're sitting here talking to me 1374 01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:39,739 um, and I'm a dangerous man I've been told. 1375 01:08:39,740 --> 01:08:43,579 - Mm-hmm. - Are you worried about reprisals? 1376 01:08:43,580 --> 01:08:45,049 Are you worried about how this is gonna be, 1377 01:08:45,050 --> 01:08:47,719 how this is gonna play among your professional peers? 1378 01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:50,149 I am worried that I can't have conversations 1379 01:08:50,150 --> 01:08:53,449 with any other peers. I don't know any other peer 1380 01:08:53,450 --> 01:08:57,109 that will speak to me around these things. That question it. 1381 01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:59,790 I just don't think developmentally 1382 01:09:00,950 --> 01:09:03,379 this is helpful to our children. 1383 01:09:03,380 --> 01:09:04,999 You step wrong as the therapist, 1384 01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,229 you say the wrong thing once, 1385 01:09:06,230 --> 01:09:08,359 and like your bloody career is over. 1386 01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,069 And now it's the same with physicians. 1387 01:09:10,070 --> 01:09:11,479 How's that gonna work? 1388 01:09:11,480 --> 01:09:13,039 You're gonna go have an honest conversation 1389 01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,859 with your physician when he's terrified out of his mind 1390 01:09:15,860 --> 01:09:17,899 that he'll say something politically incorrect 1391 01:09:17,900 --> 01:09:19,579 during the diagnostic processes. 1392 01:09:19,580 --> 01:09:22,609 Hey man, you're sick with whatever you wanna be. 1393 01:09:22,610 --> 01:09:26,659 See you later. You want a prescription for something. 1394 01:09:26,660 --> 01:09:28,519 I left academia because the climate 1395 01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:31,069 had become too stifling politically, 1396 01:09:31,070 --> 01:09:34,009 especially when it comes to the topic of gender identity 1397 01:09:34,010 --> 01:09:35,449 and the science of gender 1398 01:09:35,450 --> 01:09:38,629 it is absolutely impossible to do good research. 1399 01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:40,189 You basically have to decide beforehand 1400 01:09:40,190 --> 01:09:41,689 what you're going to find, 1401 01:09:41,690 --> 01:09:43,189 so that you don't upset activists. 1402 01:09:43,190 --> 01:09:45,019 And that is not how you do science. 1403 01:09:45,020 --> 01:09:46,429 Why has this shift occurred 1404 01:09:46,430 --> 01:09:48,559 where all of a sudden gender and sex 1405 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:52,009 have become so politically and culturally charged? 1406 01:09:52,010 --> 01:09:54,499 There is a really ugly history 1407 01:09:54,500 --> 01:09:57,859 between sex researchers and transgender activists. 1408 01:09:57,860 --> 01:10:00,829 In the past if any sex researcher spoke out 1409 01:10:00,830 --> 01:10:04,849 about science that went against activists orthodoxy, 1410 01:10:04,850 --> 01:10:08,029 or particular narratives that activists wanted to promote, 1411 01:10:08,030 --> 01:10:09,649 they would basically have their personal 1412 01:10:09,650 --> 01:10:11,449 and professional reputations ruined. 1413 01:10:11,450 --> 01:10:14,989 So what you see is that only experts who tow the party line 1414 01:10:14,990 --> 01:10:16,909 and say the things that activists like, 1415 01:10:16,910 --> 01:10:18,469 those are the people who get attention. 1416 01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:20,389 Those are the people who get lifted up in the media. 1417 01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:23,389 And also, I would say people are incentivized to go along 1418 01:10:23,390 --> 01:10:25,969 with the activist narratives and gender ideology, 1419 01:10:25,970 --> 01:10:28,969 - because that helps their career. - Trans is very cool. 1420 01:10:28,970 --> 01:10:32,929 Trans is a way of, of, of giving yourself value. 1421 01:10:32,930 --> 01:10:36,079 Given the way society at the moment is functioning. 1422 01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,799 All of the things that used to give us anchors of identity 1423 01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,339 have become very fluid or very volatile in recent years. 1424 01:10:43,340 --> 01:10:46,129 And into that context, I think what, what you find then is, 1425 01:10:46,130 --> 01:10:50,839 is new identities start to, to fill the void or the vacuum. 1426 01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:53,509 Whereas in the past, I might have got my sense of self-worth 1427 01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:56,029 from being part of the village where I grew up. 1428 01:10:56,030 --> 01:10:57,979 Now, I might get my sense of self-worth 1429 01:10:57,980 --> 01:11:00,889 through being part of the online community 1430 01:11:00,890 --> 01:11:02,749 that I connect with or part of the, 1431 01:11:02,750 --> 01:11:07,039 - the sexual identity community. - So now we are seeing kids 1432 01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:11,569 that are identifying as animals going to school, 1433 01:11:11,570 --> 01:11:14,719 and they are purring instead of answering questions 1434 01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:15,919 and they meow, 1435 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:20,239 and the teachers are not allowed to question it 1436 01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,399 because it's considered a queer identity. 1437 01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:25,459 So you have kids that are going to school 1438 01:11:25,460 --> 01:11:28,159 - and they're saying I'm a cat. - Mm-hmm. 1439 01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:32,569 And the teachers have to affirm them as a cat? 1440 01:11:32,570 --> 01:11:33,530 Yes, so it's not-- So schools are- 1441 01:11:33,531 --> 01:11:34,879 - Just the young ones. - Like literal, 1442 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:40,189 - literal zoos now basically. - They are. 1443 01:11:40,190 --> 01:11:43,339 I am a 27-year-old transgender woman. 1444 01:11:43,340 --> 01:11:46,579 I am a wolf therian and a member of the furry fandom. 1445 01:11:46,580 --> 01:11:49,583 When and how did you discover this inner wolfness? 1446 01:11:50,540 --> 01:11:52,549 Probably around age 10 or 11. 1447 01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:55,789 I was watching an anime about wolves, 1448 01:11:55,790 --> 01:11:58,999 and see the wolf running across the screen, 1449 01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,702 and I'm somehow just intrinsically like, oh, that's me. 1450 01:12:01,703 --> 01:12:04,609 Have you spent any time around biological wolves? 1451 01:12:04,610 --> 01:12:07,279 - Yes. - That sounds dangerous also. 1452 01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:08,299 What, what context are you? 1453 01:12:08,300 --> 01:12:11,029 So I was a volunteer with a preserve, 1454 01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:14,269 and I've, I've also visited many wolf preserves. 1455 01:12:14,270 --> 01:12:17,779 Are you able to communicate with the wolves? 1456 01:12:17,780 --> 01:12:20,059 Am I gonna have a conversation with the wolf 1457 01:12:20,060 --> 01:12:23,509 in the way that I'm communicating you and I? Obviously not. 1458 01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:25,759 Am I going to read their body language, 1459 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,579 respond appropriately to their behaviors 1460 01:12:28,580 --> 01:12:30,672 and their nonverbal cues? Yes. xx WHS: I call bullshit on this 1461 01:12:30,673 --> 01:12:32,179 Would you be able, would you be able to give us 1462 01:12:32,180 --> 01:12:36,397 - an example of this wolf communication? - No. 1463 01:12:36,398 --> 01:12:39,109 - I'm not comfortable doing so. xx WHS: he can't... - Okay, all right. 1464 01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:44,110 How exactly have these ideas become so pervasive? 1465 01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:47,149 First of all, I think we need to remember 1466 01:12:47,150 --> 01:12:50,719 that in the West at least, we have it drilled into our minds 1467 01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:53,509 from childhood onwards that personal happiness 1468 01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:56,149 is the key to individual flourishing. 1469 01:12:56,150 --> 01:12:58,819 Secondly, we think of ourselves in psychological terms. 1470 01:12:58,820 --> 01:13:02,779 I am my feelings. And in order for me to be happy, 1471 01:13:02,780 --> 01:13:04,429 I have to be able to express my feelings. 1472 01:13:04,430 --> 01:13:05,749 I have to be outwardly 1473 01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:08,449 that which I feel myself to be inwardly. 1474 01:13:08,450 --> 01:13:11,419 Thirdly, we are taught that interfering 1475 01:13:11,420 --> 01:13:14,089 with somebody else's happiness is very bad. 1476 01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:16,879 We need to acknowledge that there are powerful lobby groups, 1477 01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,309 powerful cultural and political lobby groups 1478 01:13:19,310 --> 01:13:21,079 driving this thing. 1479 01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:26,080 Hollywood is pressing LGBTQ+ matters in so many movies. 1480 01:13:26,570 --> 01:13:30,229 We're seeing it in the way Amazon sets up its algorithms. 1481 01:13:30,230 --> 01:13:32,899 There are all kinds of factors in society 1482 01:13:32,900 --> 01:13:36,049 that are pushing what would really be numerically 1483 01:13:36,050 --> 01:13:39,109 a fairly minority interest into being one 1484 01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:43,254 of the main political focal points of this generation. 1485 01:13:46,910 --> 01:13:49,789 After my operation, I will be a woman. 1486 01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:52,849 Why can't she just be a lesbian? 1487 01:13:52,850 --> 01:13:55,999 'Cause she's not a lesbian mom. She's a boy. 1488 01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,189 Because I was born in a girl's body. 1489 01:13:58,190 --> 01:14:01,849 Can I ask you a question? Why don't you kiss me? 1490 01:14:01,850 --> 01:14:03,799 The whole idea of social contagion, 1491 01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,649 that there could be something in one social environment 1492 01:14:06,650 --> 01:14:09,409 that could play some role in somebody coming out, 1493 01:14:09,410 --> 01:14:10,429 identifying as trans, 1494 01:14:10,430 --> 01:14:13,729 would you say that that is definitely part of your story? 1495 01:14:13,730 --> 01:14:16,369 When I look back, I don't think I would've ever even 1496 01:14:16,370 --> 01:14:19,819 considered in seeing myself as a boy 1497 01:14:19,820 --> 01:14:22,009 without these social aspects. 1498 01:14:22,010 --> 01:14:24,752 Especially if I hadn't joined these online communities. 1499 01:14:24,753 --> 01:14:28,459 I identify as non-binary. 1500 01:14:28,460 --> 01:14:30,859 I'll officially be changing my pronouns to they/them. 1501 01:14:30,860 --> 01:14:34,429 My pronouns are he/him and demon/demonself. 1502 01:14:34,430 --> 01:14:36,859 I've been going by they/them pronouns for four years now. 1503 01:14:36,860 --> 01:14:38,525 - I'm pretty-- They! - Comfortable with it. - They! 1504 01:14:38,526 --> 01:14:42,469 - I use they/them pronouns. - There was literally a period 1505 01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:46,099 of a few weeks to a few months, I started out as an ally, 1506 01:14:46,100 --> 01:14:48,709 and then eventually I starting to identify as transgender. 1507 01:14:48,710 --> 01:14:50,869 - We are trans models. - So they go on the internet 1508 01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:53,719 and they're told that all of their problems will be solved 1509 01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:55,729 if they become a man. 1510 01:14:55,730 --> 01:14:59,089 Kids are being taught you might feel like you're a boy 1511 01:14:59,090 --> 01:15:01,609 even if you have a vagina and you're a girl, 1512 01:15:01,610 --> 01:15:03,499 you are what you feel you are. 1513 01:15:03,500 --> 01:15:05,779 Some people are girls, some are boys, some are both, 1514 01:15:05,780 --> 01:15:06,613 some are neither. 1515 01:15:06,614 --> 01:15:09,019 Gender is all about how we feel on the inside 1516 01:15:09,020 --> 01:15:10,533 and how we express ourselves. 1517 01:15:10,534 --> 01:15:12,439 Ah, the gender fluid teacher. 1518 01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:15,589 What do I go by in the classroom? I go by teacher Fambrini. 1519 01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:17,629 As a queer and trans teacher my agenda 1520 01:15:17,630 --> 01:15:19,339 is to show little boys that they don't have 1521 01:15:19,340 --> 01:15:21,919 to be like as stereotypically masculine. 1522 01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,659 That they can like paint their nails and wear earrings 1523 01:15:23,660 --> 01:15:25,999 and like still be a guy, and like it can be cool. 1524 01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:26,870 So you worry that there, 1525 01:15:26,871 --> 01:15:30,769 there could be a sort of social contagion element of this? 1526 01:15:30,770 --> 01:15:34,429 A teeny tiny bit, maybe. 1527 01:15:34,430 --> 01:15:36,619 Looking back on it was the same pattern. 1528 01:15:36,620 --> 01:15:38,569 Just kids who were really struggling. 1529 01:15:38,570 --> 01:15:41,419 Kids who were very alone and isolated. 1530 01:15:41,420 --> 01:15:42,679 They have anxiety. 1531 01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:44,599 They don't fit in with their peers. 1532 01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,849 They don't know where they belong. 1533 01:15:46,850 --> 01:15:49,609 Maybe they didn't have a welcoming family life. 1534 01:15:49,610 --> 01:15:52,159 They just got caught up in these communities online. 1535 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,639 Then they discover, hey, there's these group of people 1536 01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:57,972 and they also don't fit in. They're different. 1537 01:15:57,973 --> 01:16:01,159 They're not sure who they are. Gee, that's where I fit in. 1538 01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:04,159 Today is the day before my top surgery. 1539 01:16:04,160 --> 01:16:05,989 I am waking up tomorrow at 5:00 am 1540 01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:08,389 to have a subcutaneous mastectomy. 1541 01:16:08,390 --> 01:16:11,479 We're telling children when they haven't fully developed 1542 01:16:11,480 --> 01:16:15,229 that all you have to do is medically transition 1543 01:16:15,230 --> 01:16:18,349 and you fit in. I was one of those kids. 1544 01:16:18,350 --> 01:16:23,648 It got me at 42. Your child doesn't have a chance. 1545 01:16:23,649 --> 01:16:28,009 Trans rights. 1546 01:16:28,010 --> 01:16:30,409 This is only going in one direction. 1547 01:16:30,410 --> 01:16:35,899 You will respect us. 1548 01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:39,919 As parents come to understand more about gender identity 1549 01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,019 kids are coming out at younger ages. 1550 01:16:42,020 --> 01:16:45,199 It's exciting. And you know, who gets it right? 1551 01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:46,879 Is this next generation. 1552 01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,549 The next generation who's already telling us 1553 01:16:49,550 --> 01:16:51,769 that our antiquated ideas of things 1554 01:16:51,770 --> 01:16:54,743 have to be a certain way just don't apply to them. 1555 01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,329 They're rejecting a lot of our social mores. 1556 01:16:59,330 --> 01:17:00,730 They're tweaking the system. 1557 01:17:04,755 --> 01:17:07,159 I just don't think it's realistic 1558 01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:11,029 to put this decision on them that is basically saying, 1559 01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:16,009 are you okay with the risk of permanent health effects 1560 01:17:16,010 --> 01:17:18,229 that you can never, ever reverse? 1561 01:17:18,230 --> 01:17:20,657 How can you ask that of such a small child? 1562 01:17:25,550 --> 01:17:28,219 I'm a physician and I use medication. 1563 01:17:28,220 --> 01:17:30,979 Certainly, it's a bit of a Faustian bargain. 1564 01:17:30,980 --> 01:17:32,029 Puberty blockers, 1565 01:17:32,030 --> 01:17:34,043 which are completely reversible. 1566 01:17:37,070 --> 01:17:40,151 You keep invoking the word truth, 1567 01:17:40,152 --> 01:17:42,409 which is condescending and rude. 1568 01:17:42,410 --> 01:17:43,999 Some women have penises, right? 1569 01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,263 Some men have vaginas. 1570 01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:48,379 Does a chicken cry? 1571 01:17:48,380 --> 01:17:50,063 Does a chicken commit suicide? 1572 01:17:50,930 --> 01:17:54,619 I'm not a woman, so I, I can't really answer that. 1573 01:17:54,620 --> 01:17:57,003 I guess because I got a dick. 1574 01:18:11,256 --> 01:18:14,929 Somehow this madness 1575 01:18:14,930 --> 01:18:16,853 has infected our entire society. 1576 01:18:18,380 --> 01:18:19,493 Am I the crazy one? 1577 01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:27,919 I'm done asking questions. 1578 01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:29,779 Tanner Cross is on administrative leave 1579 01:18:29,780 --> 01:18:31,789 for what he said about gender identity. 1580 01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:33,409 He said, "He would not call a student 1581 01:18:33,410 --> 01:18:35,749 who's transgender by their preferred pronoun." 1582 01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:37,159 I can't lie to children. 1583 01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:39,589 And, and I gotta also represent a whole community 1584 01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:42,559 that believes in biological facts and scientific facts. 1585 01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,539 And I just can't, I can't do that to kids. 1586 01:18:44,540 --> 01:18:46,339 You get into teaching because you love kids. 1587 01:18:46,340 --> 01:18:48,769 This policy started coming into play 1588 01:18:48,770 --> 01:18:50,299 and I was like, wait a minute, 1589 01:18:50,300 --> 01:18:52,849 It's causing me, I'm gonna have to lie to my kids. 1590 01:18:52,850 --> 01:18:54,469 The ones I've always wanted to protect. 1591 01:18:54,470 --> 01:18:58,099 Do we have assaults in our bathrooms, 1592 01:18:58,100 --> 01:19:00,559 in our locker rooms regularly? 1593 01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,139 To my knowledge, we don't have any records 1594 01:19:03,140 --> 01:19:04,643 of assaults occurring in our restroom. xx WHS: BS 1595 01:19:04,644 --> 01:19:07,484 My child was raped at school, 1596 01:19:07,485 --> 01:19:09,568 and this is what happens. 1597 01:19:10,730 --> 01:19:13,189 The predator transgender student is, 1598 01:19:13,190 --> 01:19:16,279 or person simply it does not exist. 1599 01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:17,786 The Virginia Department of Education says, 1600 01:19:17,787 --> 01:19:19,249 "It is now reviewing whether 1601 01:19:19,250 --> 01:19:20,869 the Loudoun County school district 1602 01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:23,329 has properly reported cases of sexual assault." 1603 01:19:23,330 --> 01:19:25,039 This comes after a 15-year-old 1604 01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,019 was charged on two separate occasions 1605 01:19:27,020 --> 01:19:30,533 for assaulting two different students at different schools. xx WHS: Even if it hadn't already happened, this bathroom policy is making such acts more likely to happen... 1606 01:19:32,540 --> 01:19:34,609 Dozens rallying tonight in Loudoun County 1607 01:19:34,610 --> 01:19:36,379 to protest the school's policies. 1608 01:19:36,380 --> 01:19:38,239 So that includes limiting who can talk 1609 01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:41,089 during public comment portions of board meetings. 1610 01:19:41,090 --> 01:19:43,069 One speaker leased property in the area 1611 01:19:43,070 --> 01:19:44,839 just so he could speak tonight. 1612 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,479 Fox 5's Perris Jones is live with the details. 1613 01:19:47,480 --> 01:19:50,066 That's right, conservative commentator Matt Walsh told me, 1614 01:19:50,067 --> 01:19:53,329 "He's leasing out someone's basement in Loudoun County 1615 01:19:53,330 --> 01:19:56,119 so he'd be able to speak during tonight's meeting." 1616 01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,879 I decided last week to fulfill my lifelong dream 1617 01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:02,119 of being a, um, a Loudoun County resident. 1618 01:20:02,120 --> 01:20:05,269 You know, I've always felt like I've lived in Tennessee. 1619 01:20:05,270 --> 01:20:07,849 I felt sort of like a Virginian 1620 01:20:07,850 --> 01:20:09,400 trapped in a Tennessean's body. 1621 01:20:10,430 --> 01:20:11,952 I identify sort of state fluid, I guess. 1622 01:20:11,953 --> 01:20:13,999 This is Matt Walsh, he tweeted, 1623 01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:16,073 how do you do, fellow Virginians? 1624 01:20:18,650 --> 01:20:19,972 Now I just got explain to my wife and kids 1625 01:20:19,973 --> 01:20:22,537 that we're gonna be staying in someone's basement. 1626 01:20:28,220 --> 01:20:30,820 They tried to muzzle me by not allowing me to speak. 1627 01:20:32,330 --> 01:20:34,309 And when that didn't work, 1628 01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:36,110 they tried to muzzle me with a mask. 1629 01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:39,913 I would thank you all 1630 01:20:39,914 --> 01:20:41,059 for allowing me to speak to you tonight, 1631 01:20:41,060 --> 01:20:44,029 but you try not to allow it, yet here I am. 1632 01:20:44,030 --> 01:20:46,789 Now you only give us 60 seconds, so let me get to the point. 1633 01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:48,739 You are all child abusers. 1634 01:20:48,740 --> 01:20:51,199 You prey upon impressionable children and indoctrinate them 1635 01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:53,149 into your insane ideological cult. 1636 01:20:53,150 --> 01:20:55,429 A cult, which holds many fanatical views, 1637 01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:56,839 but none so deranged as the idea 1638 01:20:56,840 --> 01:20:59,209 that boys are girls and girls are boys. 1639 01:20:59,210 --> 01:21:01,309 By imposing this vial nonsense on students 1640 01:21:01,310 --> 01:21:03,199 to the point even of forcing young girls 1641 01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:04,939 to share locker rooms with boys, 1642 01:21:04,940 --> 01:21:06,829 you deprive these kids of safety and privacy, 1643 01:21:06,830 --> 01:21:10,429 and something more fundamental too, which is truth. 1644 01:21:10,430 --> 01:21:13,759 If education is not grounded in truth than it is worthless. 1645 01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:18,529 Worse, it is poison. You are poison. You are predators. 1646 01:21:18,530 --> 01:21:20,179 I can see why you tried to stop us from speaking, 1647 01:21:20,180 --> 01:21:22,639 you know that your ideas are indefensible. 1648 01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,879 You silence the opposing side because you have no argument. 1649 01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:27,949 You can only hide under your beds, 1650 01:21:27,950 --> 01:21:30,169 like pathetic little gutless cowards 1651 01:21:30,170 --> 01:21:32,293 hoping we shut up and go away. But we won't. 1652 01:21:34,220 --> 01:21:40,354 I promise you that. 1653 01:21:47,213 --> 01:21:50,873 Johnny's a boy with a big imagination. 1654 01:21:52,940 --> 01:21:56,273 One day, he's a dog, the next day a crustation. 1655 01:21:59,570 --> 01:22:03,023 Johnny's mom loves her son's make-believe time. 1656 01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:08,273 You're Johnny the Walrus till you change your mind. 1657 01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:12,979 Matt Walsh is out with a new children's book. 1658 01:22:12,980 --> 01:22:16,609 The book is called "Johnny the Walrus". What is this about? 1659 01:22:16,610 --> 01:22:20,029 It sold out on Amazon in a few hours. 1660 01:22:20,030 --> 01:22:21,739 So I have embraced my true calling 1661 01:22:21,740 --> 01:22:23,832 as a, as a children's author. Hence the cardigan. 1662 01:22:23,833 --> 01:22:26,239 The book is about a little boy 1663 01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:27,949 who's very imaginative and, and playful. 1664 01:22:27,950 --> 01:22:30,529 And like I have four kids and they all have an imagination. 1665 01:22:30,530 --> 01:22:32,689 - Yeah. - And he likes to pretend to be different things. 1666 01:22:32,690 --> 01:22:34,819 And one day he pretends to be a walrus. 1667 01:22:34,820 --> 01:22:36,169 And unfortunately, his mother 1668 01:22:36,170 --> 01:22:38,959 is, is very progressive and thus confused. 1669 01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,719 And so she's convinced by the internet and by society 1670 01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,319 that if your child is, is identifying as something, 1671 01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:47,089 then he really is that thing. 1672 01:22:47,090 --> 01:22:50,689 And so she tries to raise her child as a walrus, 1673 01:22:50,690 --> 01:22:53,719 as a sort of trans walrus, respecting his self identity. 1674 01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:57,079 One morning, he came downstairs barking and clapping, 1675 01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:00,829 wood spoons for tusks, and sock fins of flapping. 1676 01:23:00,830 --> 01:23:01,790 It spoons in his mouth. 1677 01:23:01,791 --> 01:23:04,586 He's pretending to be a walrus. 1678 01:23:04,587 --> 01:23:07,819 "I'm Johnny the Walrus," he said with a roar. 1679 01:23:07,820 --> 01:23:14,687 Johnny the Walrus. 1680 01:23:17,330 --> 01:23:20,172 - This is a hot topic. - Yes. 1681 01:23:20,173 --> 01:23:22,159 - That's a good thing, right? - Yeah, absolutely. 1682 01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:23,809 It's good for us to have these conversations, 1683 01:23:23,810 --> 01:23:26,329 so people open their minds and relearn and unlearn 1684 01:23:26,330 --> 01:23:27,163 to what we've been taught. 1685 01:23:27,164 --> 01:23:30,383 So I want this to be a safe place to talk about and learn. 1686 01:23:32,104 --> 01:23:34,429 As you can see, there's an ongoing evolution 1687 01:23:34,430 --> 01:23:36,469 of language and how people can identify. 1688 01:23:36,470 --> 01:23:38,899 My next guest author and conservative host 1689 01:23:38,900 --> 01:23:41,359 of Daily Wire's "The Matt Walsh Show" 1690 01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:44,179 talking about his recently published children's book 1691 01:23:44,180 --> 01:23:47,089 that has since been removed online 1692 01:23:47,090 --> 01:23:50,029 by a popular large retail chain. 1693 01:23:50,030 --> 01:23:54,319 Now Matt says, "Gender is not a social construct, 1694 01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,639 - but rooted firmly in biology." True? - True. 1695 01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:01,009 As human beings we have a sex, male or female, 1696 01:24:01,010 --> 01:24:03,319 that is a biological scientific fact. 1697 01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:05,599 Now gender is a linguistic term. 1698 01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,279 Words have gender, people don't. 1699 01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,259 You can have whatever self-perception you want, 1700 01:24:09,260 --> 01:24:13,039 but you can expect me to take part in that self-perception 1701 01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:14,839 or to take part in this kind of charade, 1702 01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:18,019 this theatrical production. You don't get your own pronouns, 1703 01:24:18,020 --> 01:24:18,899 just like you don't get your own prepositions 1704 01:24:18,900 --> 01:24:21,349 or your own, your own adjectives. 1705 01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:23,989 You know, it's like, if I were to tell you, 1706 01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:26,449 my adjectives are handsome and brilliant 1707 01:24:26,450 --> 01:24:28,429 and no matter whatever you're talking about me, 1708 01:24:28,430 --> 01:24:30,289 you have to describe me as handsome and brilliant 1709 01:24:30,290 --> 01:24:31,759 because that's how I identify. 1710 01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,469 So you think it's a delusion? 1711 01:24:33,470 --> 01:24:34,460 Well, this is one of the problems 1712 01:24:34,461 --> 01:24:35,869 with this left-wing gender ideology 1713 01:24:35,870 --> 01:24:38,389 is that no one who espouses it 1714 01:24:38,390 --> 01:24:40,099 can even tell you what these words mean. 1715 01:24:40,100 --> 01:24:42,522 - Like what is a woman? - Well. - Can you tell me 1716 01:24:42,523 --> 01:24:44,749 - what a woman is? - No, I can't. 1717 01:24:44,750 --> 01:24:47,869 Womanhood is something that is an umbrella term. 1718 01:24:47,870 --> 01:24:50,749 It includes people who-- That describes what? 1719 01:24:50,750 --> 01:24:54,469 - People who identify as a woman. - What is that? 1720 01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:55,819 What's to each their own. 1721 01:24:55,820 --> 01:24:58,159 Each woman, each man, each person 1722 01:24:58,160 --> 01:24:59,509 is gonna have a different relation 1723 01:24:59,510 --> 01:25:01,759 with their own gender identity and define it differently. 1724 01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:02,750 - That, so that's the problem. - You wanna reduce women, 1725 01:25:02,751 --> 01:25:05,659 you wanna reduce men down to maybe just their genetics, 1726 01:25:05,660 --> 01:25:07,399 - our genitals. - No. - Our chromosomes, right? 1727 01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:08,233 That's what you're saying. 1728 01:25:08,233 --> 01:25:09,066 What you do is-- That's what we are- 1729 01:25:09,067 --> 01:25:11,569 - What, you, what you want to do is appropriate women. 1730 01:25:11,570 --> 01:25:14,509 - You wanna appropriate womanhood. - Okay. - And turn it into 1731 01:25:14,510 --> 01:25:16,399 basically a costume that could be worn. 1732 01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:19,249 Joining us on stage is Dr. Suzy D'Enbeau 1733 01:25:19,250 --> 01:25:21,919 associate professor at Kent State University. 1734 01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:27,289 Dr. D'Enbeau how do you feel those who oppose using pronouns 1735 01:25:27,290 --> 01:25:30,679 are taking the wrong approach in this conversation? 1736 01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:32,029 There's the extreme approach 1737 01:25:32,030 --> 01:25:33,709 that you are admittedly taking. 1738 01:25:33,710 --> 01:25:36,019 Um, and then there's also just ordinary people 1739 01:25:36,020 --> 01:25:38,929 that might not be comfortable with the language change. 1740 01:25:38,930 --> 01:25:41,209 She began by saying that my view is extreme. 1741 01:25:41,210 --> 01:25:44,209 Okay, so the view that every single person on earth 1742 01:25:44,210 --> 01:25:46,279 has held up until 15 seconds ago is extreme. 1743 01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:48,859 They are conflating gender and sex because on one hand, 1744 01:25:48,860 --> 01:25:50,839 they say, well, you got your biological sex, 1745 01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:53,269 but then your gender is whatever social construct. 1746 01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:54,103 But then they turn around 1747 01:25:54,104 --> 01:25:56,359 and say that trans women are women. 1748 01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:58,639 So a man who, who, who identifies 1749 01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:00,169 with the, with the, the gender, 1750 01:26:00,170 --> 01:26:03,649 the social construct of womanhood actually is a woman. 1751 01:26:03,650 --> 01:26:06,349 Part of me wants to ask why you care so much because- xx WHS: 1) irrelevant, 2) the gender affirmists are the ones who care far more about this topic! They are the ones who force a response by people who are normal-thinking / not indoctrinated! 1752 01:26:06,350 --> 01:26:08,412 - Right. - It's really not that big of a deal. 1753 01:26:08,413 --> 01:26:10,879 Can I answer that? I care about the truth. 1754 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,469 So, so basic truth matters. 1755 01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:13,601 I wanna live in a society where people- 1756 01:26:13,602 --> 01:26:14,450 - Okay, fine. - Care about the truth. 1757 01:26:14,451 --> 01:26:16,826 Um, I care about children and this, these insane ideas- 1758 01:26:16,827 --> 01:26:18,649 - I do too. - About gender are being, 1759 01:26:18,650 --> 01:26:20,659 are being foist on kids. 1760 01:26:20,660 --> 01:26:23,089 Um, and that, that bothers me quite a bit. 1761 01:26:23,090 --> 01:26:23,990 I care about the women 1762 01:26:23,991 --> 01:26:26,629 who are having their opportunities stolen from them. 1763 01:26:26,630 --> 01:26:30,919 - I care quite a bit, yeah. - I wanted us to have a safe place 1764 01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:32,449 to be able to talk about this. 1765 01:26:32,450 --> 01:26:35,689 And it seems like we should just keep the dialogue going 1766 01:26:35,690 --> 01:26:38,963 and, and hopefully find some middle ground. xx WHS: Next comes a statement that the people taking part complained that they were emotionally damaged by the conversation, in other words they are mentally unstable! 1767 01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:18,739 What do you say to parents? 1768 01:27:18,740 --> 01:27:20,779 A parent comes to you and says, 1769 01:27:20,780 --> 01:27:24,439 my eight-year-old son is telling me he's a girl. 1770 01:27:24,440 --> 01:27:25,370 Yeah, great. 1771 01:27:25,371 --> 01:27:27,739 You're gonna have him do an experimental procedure 1772 01:27:27,740 --> 01:27:29,689 that creates the most suicidal ideation 1773 01:27:29,690 --> 01:27:30,829 of any other population 1774 01:27:30,830 --> 01:27:33,799 seven to 10 years after, you know, transition. 1775 01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:35,659 And here's what I tell parents, 1776 01:27:35,660 --> 01:27:40,660 you don't have the right to medically transition your child. 1777 01:27:42,590 --> 01:27:46,879 We have no research on long-term hormone use. 1778 01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,129 We will be seeing the first generation 1779 01:27:49,130 --> 01:27:51,259 of long-term hormone use. 1780 01:27:51,260 --> 01:27:54,469 And we already know, at least with 10 years of hormones 1781 01:27:54,470 --> 01:27:56,003 you're giving yourself cancer. 1782 01:27:57,290 --> 01:27:58,280 What's your message to parents 1783 01:27:58,281 --> 01:27:59,869 who are trying to cope with this? 1784 01:27:59,870 --> 01:28:01,429 The first thing is to tell parents 1785 01:28:01,430 --> 01:28:04,339 that they're not alone. It is our responsibility as a parent 1786 01:28:04,340 --> 01:28:06,319 to be the frontline defense for our children. 1787 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:07,819 And, and I know with my child, 1788 01:28:07,820 --> 01:28:10,249 a lot of people will say, was it worth it 1789 01:28:10,250 --> 01:28:12,919 'cause you now seemingly have lost your child? 1790 01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:15,319 And I'll say, yeah, but at least I've saved my conscience, 1791 01:28:15,320 --> 01:28:16,909 and my morals, and my convictions. 1792 01:28:16,910 --> 01:28:18,739 And when my child turns 25 and says, 1793 01:28:18,740 --> 01:28:21,049 Dad, where were you? I'll say I was there. 1794 01:28:21,050 --> 01:28:22,519 I was fighting as hard as I could. 1795 01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:24,420 I was not prepared to let this happen. 1796 01:28:32,780 --> 01:28:36,319 Does this really matter is, is another question so? 1797 01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,070 Matters for those who are getting double mastectomies 1798 01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,392 - when they're 16. - Why should we care 1799 01:28:43,393 --> 01:28:45,569 if we live in a society where gender is fluid? 1800 01:28:45,570 --> 01:28:47,959 Well, I cared because my government decided 1801 01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:50,899 that I had to call people by the terms that they were, 1802 01:28:50,900 --> 01:28:54,559 that they designated or I'd be subject to legal penalties. 1803 01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:58,373 It's like, no, I'm not doing that. 1804 01:28:59,416 --> 01:29:01,879 I don't care what your reason is. 1805 01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:03,919 You don't get control of my tongue. 1806 01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:08,359 We live in a climate now in which no one seems to care 1807 01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,089 about the safety of women and girls who are going through 1808 01:29:11,090 --> 01:29:13,849 a very developmentally challenging time in their lives. 1809 01:29:13,850 --> 01:29:16,969 They may not want to share spaces with their male peers. 1810 01:29:16,970 --> 01:29:19,039 I would not be surprised in a few years, 1811 01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:21,529 there will no longer be women's sports. 1812 01:29:21,530 --> 01:29:25,489 It will literally be men's sports and transgender sports. 1813 01:29:25,490 --> 01:29:27,559 The question being asked by the trans person 1814 01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,559 is, is a legitimate one, how can I be happy? 1815 01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:34,999 The answer being given by having my body transformed 1816 01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,349 to look like the other gender, 1817 01:29:36,350 --> 01:29:39,109 by having myself pumped full of hormones, 1818 01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:42,229 clearly isn't working, and we have to find a better 1819 01:29:42,230 --> 01:29:45,079 and the more humane way of dealing with individuals 1820 01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:46,969 who are struggling with gender dysphoria. 1821 01:29:46,970 --> 01:29:51,169 I have the utmost compassion 1822 01:29:51,170 --> 01:29:53,959 for people who suffer from gender dysphoria. 1823 01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,679 It's a nightmare for them and their families. 1824 01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:01,159 The vast majority, up to 90% of kids 1825 01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:05,239 if they go through a normal puberty, they're gonna be okay. 1826 01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:07,339 They will be at peace with their bodies, 1827 01:30:07,340 --> 01:30:09,919 and they will have avoided dangerous 1828 01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:14,389 and experimental medical interventions and surgeries. 1829 01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:16,279 Maybe we're up against a battle here 1830 01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:18,623 up against a hill that perhaps, 1831 01:30:19,460 --> 01:30:22,279 you know, we're not gonna necessarily win today, 1832 01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:25,159 but if we don't pave the way for a win, 1833 01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:26,333 we'll never get there. 1834 01:30:29,030 --> 01:30:31,459 So we're going on this journey, 1835 01:30:31,460 --> 01:30:33,589 boys can be girls, girls can be boys, 1836 01:30:33,590 --> 01:30:35,929 men can be women, women can be men. 1837 01:30:35,930 --> 01:30:41,119 - It makes me wonder what, what is a woman? - What is a woman? 1838 01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:45,109 A woman is someone who claims that is their identity. xx WHS: the fruitcake doctor again with a non-answer 1839 01:30:45,110 --> 01:30:47,269 It could be many things to many people. 1840 01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:49,789 I think the question really brings up 1841 01:30:49,790 --> 01:30:52,309 the, the fact that it is pretty relative, right? 1842 01:30:52,310 --> 01:30:56,779 That if you ask women across race, across identities, 1843 01:30:56,780 --> 01:30:59,963 across class, across culture, 1844 01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:02,179 you will get a different answer. xx WHS: No, the essence is the same everywhere except in a group of liars, confused people or insane people... 1845 01:31:02,180 --> 01:31:04,849 Some of it is, you know, based on biology, 1846 01:31:04,850 --> 01:31:06,499 some of it is based on hormones. 1847 01:31:06,500 --> 01:31:09,079 Some of it, it is based on what you wear xx WHS: no that is not an essence, it is a consequence of how you feel and group belonging. 1848 01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:11,029 and, and how you present yourself. 1849 01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:12,919 A woman is not anything in particular. 1850 01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:14,749 It's not, there's no one particular thing. 1851 01:31:14,750 --> 01:31:16,819 There is not one particular thing. 1852 01:31:16,820 --> 01:31:20,749 A woman is someone who says that she is a woman xx WHS: circular argument again, this time from the effeminate guy. 1853 01:31:20,750 --> 01:31:23,913 - and transitions to be a woman. - Who says that she's what? 1854 01:31:25,423 --> 01:31:30,423 Can you define the word woman without using the word woman? 1855 01:31:33,162 --> 01:31:34,549 I mean that's actually kind of like, 1856 01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:36,743 it's a curious question, but I. xx WHS: that is not a curious question you insufferable muppet (=the bad sociologist)! It is asking for a real definition and not a circular one! 1857 01:31:43,250 --> 01:31:45,019 We've been journeying across the country 1858 01:31:45,020 --> 01:31:46,369 asking people this question, 1859 01:31:46,370 --> 01:31:47,970 and almost nobody can answer it. 1860 01:31:49,580 --> 01:31:51,582 - What is a woman? - What is a woman? 1861 01:31:51,583 --> 01:31:52,733 Marry one and find out. 1862 01:31:54,206 --> 01:31:56,839 - Mm-hmm. - So I should go home and ask my wife, I guess. 1863 01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:01,019 Yeah. 1864 01:32:08,060 --> 01:32:10,613 Hey, I've been meaning to ask you something. 1865 01:32:11,480 --> 01:32:12,480 Uh-huh. 1866 01:32:15,467 --> 01:32:16,967 What is a woman? 1867 01:32:22,010 --> 01:32:27,010 An adult human female who needs help opening this? xx WHS: This is often stated as being the right answer by anti-SJWs but it is not good enough. You can make a case for some deviations such as of a genetic woman being treated as a man, e.g. Heidi Krieger -> Helmut Krieger. The reverse is btw always problematic due to esp. voice, but also facial features, behaviour. These cases should be exceptions such as that case is... 1868 01:33:06,500 --> 01:33:10,433 Can you provide a definition for the word woman? 1869 01:33:11,660 --> 01:33:14,093 - Can I provide a definition? - Mm-hmm, yeah. 1870 01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,383 - I can't. - You can't? 1871 01:33:19,550 --> 01:33:21,522 - Not in this-- Okay. - Context. - So you believe- 1872 01:33:21,523 --> 01:33:23,299 - I'm not a biologist. - The meaning of the word 1873 01:33:23,300 --> 01:33:25,849 woman is so unclear and controversial 1874 01:33:25,850 --> 01:33:28,999 that you can't give me a definition. 1875 01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,759 Senator, in my work as a judge, 1876 01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:36,169 what I do is I address disputes. 1877 01:33:36,170 --> 01:33:39,319 If there's a dispute about a definition, 1878 01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:41,472 people make arguments, and I look at the law- 1879 01:33:41,473 --> 01:33:44,389 - All right. - And I decide. - Well-- So I'm not. 1880 01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:49,039 The fact that you can't give me a straight answer 1881 01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:53,299 about something as fundamental as what a woman is 1882 01:33:53,300 --> 01:33:58,279 underscores the dangers of the kind of progressive education 1883 01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:00,919 that we are hearing about. 1884 01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:05,749 Just last week, an entire generation of young girls 1885 01:34:05,750 --> 01:34:09,649 watched as our taxpayer funded institutions, 1886 01:34:09,650 --> 01:34:11,899 permitted a biological man 1887 01:34:11,900 --> 01:34:15,529 to compete and beat a biological woman 1888 01:34:15,530 --> 01:34:18,649 in the NCAA swimming championships. 1889 01:34:18,650 --> 01:34:21,889 What message do you think this sends to girls 1890 01:34:21,890 --> 01:34:26,059 who aspire to compete and win in sports 1891 01:34:26,060 --> 01:34:27,743 at the highest levels? 1892 01:34:30,230 --> 01:34:33,529 Senator, I'm not sure what message that sends. 1893 01:34:33,530 --> 01:34:34,460 If, if you're asking me 1894 01:34:34,461 --> 01:34:36,833 about the legal issues related to it, 1895 01:34:38,450 --> 01:34:42,049 those are topics that are being hotly discussed, 1896 01:34:42,050 --> 01:34:45,073 - as you say, and-- Right. - Could come to the court.