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of the great privileges of my life.
Give my son a BB gun,
and that's just about all the emotional support he needs.
My daughter on the other hand,
I've heard people say that there are no differences
between male and female, those people are idiots.
I'm a husband. I'm a father of four.
I host a talk show. I give speeches. I write books.
I like to make sense of things,
but making sense of females is a whole other matter.
Even astrophysicist, Stephen Hawking,
who could come up with a theory on black holes
was completely dumbfounded by women.
Women, they are a complete mystery.
And now our culture is telling us
that the difference is between girls and boys don't matter.
That if you identify as something,
then you are that thing.
How do we help our kids make sense of this
when they're bombarded with conflicting messages
about gender and identity?
Forget trying to figure out women,
the real question is what is a woman?
As you grow your body changes
from that of a young girl to that of woman.
Soon Molly will be a young woman
having dates, going to dances in lovely romantic dresses.
The boys' shoulders are broad
and his body muscular. While the girl's body is more curved.
I'd like to know more about different kinds of hormones.
Presence of these hormones in the blood
brings about many changes in the bodies
of both boys and girls.
Being a woman is one the things I like best about myself.
I think you'll like it too.
I like to come out here to think.
Nature seems to always tell the truth,
even when we don't wanna hear it.
Truth is I'm not very good at fishing.
But what is truth?
Is there a truth?
Is this what progress looks like?
Can my boys really become girls?
Do I have four daughters?
Do I now have to pay for four weddings?
Is there a son trapped in my daughter's body?
If so, how do I get him out?
Are any of my kids who they claim to be?
Who are these people? Who am I?
I better see a therapist. ========== xxx therapeut:
In the state of Tennessee,
I'm a licensed marital and family therapist,
which basically means I've been trained up
to think about like systems, family systems,
how we were raised up, how that shapes who we are today.
So on your website, quote if you'll,
- if you'll bear with me. - Sure.
Quoting, you say, "I use a combination of approaches
in my therapeutic work, including anti-oppression feminist
and narrative frameworks." "I rely deeply on systems theory
and understanding that individuals
are products of and in dialogue with our surroundings,
including our families, broader culture, workplaces,
nature, and political climates." What does that mean?
Yeah, so thinking about the modalities that I use,
I'm definitely informed by like feminist family therapy
and the ideas that we live in gendered worlds
where there are certain imperatives
that are placed on us about who we are and what we do
based on how we've been gendered.
From the minute I was assigned female, I was told, xx WHS: she was not told, it was implicit in upbringing, culture.
okay, these are the kind of clothing
that you're gonna wear. These are the kind of the,
the type of play that you're gonna engage in as a child.
The path that maybe your life will take
because of social expectations.
What do you, what do you mean by assigned female?
Who, who assigns female?
Yeah, so most times people when they're born
- they're assigned a gender. - By the?
- The doctor. - Doctors. - Yeah.
Like what do they, what do they base that assignment on?
So basically it's, it's based on genitalia.
So people looking at genitalia and deciding,
okay, this is a, a girl or a boy. xxx start of interesting part:
And we know now that like that sex and gender
are so much more than just this binary. xx WHS: sex is binary, despite genetic mistakes such as xxy. Gender, if you accept that stuff, is still partly based on biology, for the other part there are a few options based on your beliefs on 'reality'.
Some women have penises, right? Some men have vaginas. xx WHS: no.
That, that, that's not how, how gender works.
How do we know that, how do we know that that's not true?
Where, where did we, where did we learn that from?
Yeah, well, we, I, I learned that
from hearing from transgender people,
who've said like, oh, I'm a trans woman, xx WHS: Why take that as truth? What if these people 1) lie, 2) are confused?
and just because I happen to have a penis, right,
that doesn't mean that this is like who I am as a person or,
or that genitalia doesn't equal gender. xx WHS: Why take their view as reality?: How does a man feel a woman, because he cannot know what it is like to be a woman, in experiences, in thinking, etc.
Who they are, their gender, their gender expression.
That, yeah, a trans woman is a woman. xx WHS: no.
With the fluidity of these things,
how do I know if, if I'm a woman, you know? I, I.
That's a great question.
I like scented candles and-- Yeah.
- I've watched "Sex and the City". - Yeah. - Um. - Yeah.
- So how do I know? - Yeah, Matt, that question right there,
like that question is like,
when it's asked with a lot of curiosity, right?
That's the beginning of a lot of people's
like gender identity development journeys.
- If my mom who gave birth to me is a woman. - Mm-hmm.
And my wife is a woman, though I haven't asked her.
Maybe I should.
But if they're all women
and also the boy who sits down with you and says,
I, I think I'm a girl actually is one,
- then, then what is a woman? - Mm.
Yeah. Great question.
I'm not a woman, so I, I can't really answer that. xx WHS: give us a break. You are a woman, just with mental issues.
I thought therapy would make me less confused. xx WHS: When going to a confused therapist then that is what will happen...
Am I the only one feeling this way?
I need to hit the road and find out.
We're talking about gender in society.
Let me start with a real basic question. What is a woman?
A woman.
I don't wanna assume, but you guys are all.
- Yeah. - Women. - We're all women. - Yes.
- Yes. - We're women.
So how would you define it, like in the simplest terms?
- That is hard. - Yeah, it is, it is a stumper.
A woman is someone that likes to be pretty
and think of themself as a delicate creature.
- I'm pretty and delicate. - Okay.
- I could be a woman too. - Yes, you could. xx WHS: no.
Defining womanhood is just a project of someone
who identifies as a woman.
Yeah, but what, like, what do they identify?
You see what I'm saying? What do they identify as?
They identify as a woman, but what is that?
I honestly, don't know.
It's a simple question,
so why is it so hard to answer?
This is gonna take some serious investigation.
For all of human existence women
were understood to be a certain thing,
so what changed?
No one can seem to answer the question now.
Over 2000 surgeries and counting, Dr. Marci Bowers
is the nation's preeminent sex change surgeon.
Surely someone who does sex change surgeries
can answer what a woman is.
Dr. Marci Bowers, first of all, thanks for talking to us.
My pleasure.
So you're a world renowned gynecologist and surgeon.
You're also a transgender woman.
Can you tell me a little bit about-
- No, I mean, I identify as a woman, but.
You're a woman, right?
I'm a woman with, I mean, that's my life day-to-day,
- but I have a transgender history. - Hmm. xx WHS: so: transsexual
So one, one thing on your website,
it says gender affirm, GAV, gender affirming vaginal plasty.
- Mm-hmm. - What is that exactly?
Vaginal plasty is creation of, of female,
a, a female vagina and vulva.
We're altering the physical characteristics
of the individual to, to fit better with a gender identity
that, that is female.
This is all constructed from the penis?
Yes, that's right.
The surgeries are quite refined in the sense
that they really not only do they look like female anatomy,
but they also function that way for the most part.
I mean, certainly it's a bit of a Faustian bargain,
you know, it's not perfect.
Does anyone ever regret their surgeries
or we know they do,
but how often do people regret their surgeries?
Well, actually we don't know that they do. xx WHS: liar
There are legitimate detransitioner
and there are people who truly feel that in their journey,
they may have made a mistake. xx WHS: this contradicts his earlier statement!
Now, fortunately, this is a really,
really uncommon phenomenon.
I don't know if you've ever heard of people
in the transabled community,
these are people who are physically able-bodied,
but feel like they should be disabled or identify as such.
For example, a man who has two arms,
but feels like you should have one.
If a, if a man in this kind of marginalized community
was, went to the doctor and said,
I want to have my arm cut off,
do you think that-
- That doesn't have anything to do with gender identity.
Well, it's someone's, someone's self identity.
- How someone identifies. - That's some,
that's someone who has a, a,
and I'll accept it as a mental diagnosis,
a psychiatric condition. I don't even pretend to know
what apotemnophilia is all about.
But somehow it's the idea that you, and, you know,
you're fascinated or charmed by having a limb
- or part of a limb missing. - Hmm.
Okay, I would say that's, uh,
pardon my non-medical language, kooky.
You don't see any, you think this is totally irrelevant? xx WHS: he doesn't want to admit the similarity, it would give questions to which he has no answers...
Yep.
So the biggest broadest question is what is a woman?
A woman is a, you know,
it's a combination of your physical attributes,
and then what you're showing to the world,
and the gender clues that you give,
and hopefully those match your gender identity.
The critics on the other side of this,
of, of this, of this issue.
There aren't many, but go ahead. xx WHS: liar! There are many who don't accept this stuff!
There aren't many who would disagree
with what you're saying about.
Well, you know, the dinosaurs of the world
- are certainly out there. - Hmm. - Yeah. xx WHS: What a nutjob!
How long have you been running the shop here?
- 25 Years. - Wow.
Now you had an incident here a little while ago
that went really viral online.
Lots of reaction in the public.
Aberdeen Councilwoman Tiesa Meskis
confronted owner Don Sucher about a sign
he posted in his store.
One day I just put the sign up over here,
and he came around the corner,
and I thought, okay, I recognize him.
I says, "Oh, I recognize you."
"You're our new city councilman."
He says, "No, I'm your new city councilwoman."
So it was, it was kind of on from there.
You know what? It's bullshit.
No, what your spouting is bullshit.
No it's not. Transwomen are women, sir.
- That sign is bullshit. - I've been doing this 25 years,
I've never had a problem with anybody,
whether they're gay, transsexual, anything.
Now how, you're saying councilman, he,
this individual was saying, I'm a woman.
- Right. - And you said, "You're not a woman." How-- Okay.
How do you know that that person's not a woman?
- How do I know? - Yeah. - Well, uh, common sense.
Trans women are women! xx WHS: No, though some exceptions can be made in some cases, rather more for F to M(such as Heidi Krieger to Helmut Krieger), as the reverse gives more issues, voice, behaviour, etc. of things that do not fit.
Doesn't, doesn't the science say
that if someone identifies as a woman then they are.
No, no. Now that's completely bogus.
I don't care, if you think you're a sheep dog
and you come into my store, it don't matter to me.
Just don't come in and try to shove
- that shit down my throat. - If it makes someone feel better,
what about their, their feelings?
I mean-- I don't give shit about their feelings, I'm old.
What about the Star Wars universe?
Jar Jar Binks, pansexual do you think? Transgender?
Uh, why would I, why would I even care?
It's if it's his truth.
- Well, it ain't true. - You're not a scientist.
You're not a gender studies major or are you?
- No. - No, okay. How do you know that you're a man?
How do I know that I'm a man?
- I guess, because I got a dick. - Huh?
Well, I guess Don isn't overthinking it.
He admits he's not a gender studies major
or at the very least a doctor.
Maybe I should go talk to one.
My name is Michelle Forcier,
um, and I have a medical degree
from University of Connecticut Residency,
University of Utah Pediatrics. And I've worked for a number
of different Planned Parenthood's for 20 years.
I do advanced contraception and abortion
as well as gender hormones,
and sort of looking at the whole sort
of schema of gender, sex, and, and reproductive justice.
So you've done a lot of work in this field.
Could you just start by telling us-- Sure.
At what age can a child first begin to transition
into another gender or identify themselves
as a gender different from how they were born?
Yeah. Well, I mean, there's, there's research
and data that show that babies and infants
understand differences in gender.
Some children figure out their gender really early,
and the reason why we are say,
oh, that's, it's interesting or important
is 'cause they're figuring out their gender identity
is not necessarily congruent
with their sexes signed at birth.
When the, when the doctor sees the penis and says,
this is a male, has the sex of male,
that's an arbitrary distinction.
Telling that family based on that little penis
that your child is absolutely
a hundred percent male identified xx WHS: Male identified is BS. How does she know what a 'male' is besides external showing of behaviour/clothes? That has only some correlation to your thinking, it is definitely not everything and not determining of your thinking. How does she know how a man thinks?
no matter what else occurs in their life,
- that's not correct. - So what is gender affirmation care?
You're a big proponent of,
if we walk through a child is sitting down with you
- is questioning-- Yeah. - Their gender.
What's the gender affirmation process?
Affirmation means that as a pediatrician,
as someone who says my job
is to provide the best medical care for you
is I need to listen really carefully.
And how I put it in words for kids
so that they can understand it is tell me your story.
Where have you been in terms of your gender
and your gender identity? Where are you right now?
And more excitingly,
where would you like to be in the future?
Have you ever met a four-year-old
- who believes in Santa Claus? - Mm-hmm.
So this is someone who believes
that a fat man is traveling through the sky
on a flying reindeer at lightning speed
- coming down his chimney with presents. - Yeah.
Would you say that this is someone
who maybe has a tenuous grasp on reality?
They have an appropriate four-year-old handle
on the reality-- Sure, agreed.
- That's very real for them. - Agreed, agreed.
But Santa Claus is real for them but-
- Yeah. - Santa Claus is not actually real.
Yeah, well and, but Santa Claus
does deliver their Christmas presents. xx WHS: No he doesn't, the parents do that, and Walsh has her by the balls because evading the relevant comparison makes their justification of gender affirmation invalid. In reality what I said years ago already invalidates that: What about liars and people who are confused?
Well, yeah, but he is not real though. xx WHS: No he doesn't, the parents do that, and Walsh has her by the balls because evading the relevant comparison makes their justification of gender affirmation invalid. In reality what I said years ago already invalidates that: What about liars and people who are confused?
To that child they are. xx WHS: Not "they are" but "he is".
When I see a child who, you know,
believes in Santa Claus and then let's say,
- this is a boy and he says, I'm a girl. - Mm-hmm.
This is someone who can't distinguish
between fantasy and reality,
so how could you take that as a reality?
I would say that as a pediatrician and as a parent,
I would say how wonderful
my four-year-old and their imagination is. xx WHS: Oh my God, she is worse than I thought, she doesn't give a damn about reality and thus about consequences for that child of fantasies that she follows and makes into reality, that this child may regret but then will be forced to live...
Aren't kids famous for their active imaginations?
Should we really let our children define reality?
If I say that I, I feel a certain way
then obviously you can't tell me I don't feel that way.
- Yeah. - But just because I feel that way
does that mean that it's true?
I mean, if it's your reality okay.
Yeah, it's yours reality.
It's truly like none of my business who you are.
- So we all have our own-- Identity. - Realities.
What if I said, I want you to say
that it's true that I'm a woman, would you say that?
- That you're a woman? - I would also say that.
- If you want. - Yeah.
I honestly don't care like whatever makes you happy.
What's true to you can be, can be false to me.
So like it, it's the, it's like-
- What if I said that it's true,
my truth is that you don't exist,
does that mean you, you no longer exist?
I mean, if that's your truth sure.
I don't, because it's like-- But you do.
Well, I mean, if you're saying
that I do then I do.
Well, but even if I said that you don't you still do
'cause we're, we're having this conversation.
- I mean, are we? - I think so, I mean, I thought.
That's what you think.
Well, I should have known
it would be hard to define reality in Hollywood.
I should probably look to the place
where truth is the foremost pursuit,
the American university.
What we do in, in gender studies
is not just reduced gender
to what psychologists might call individual differences,
but rather thinking about gender.
And that's not women and man,
but gender as a, as a social form,
something that kind of infuses itself
into virtually all aspects of social life.
Let's talk about that then.
Uh, I guess we should start with
- we've got gender and sex, right? - Yeah.
What, what's the difference between the two?
Is there a difference?
I saw that in your questions and I thought, my goodness,
this is what we spend an entire semester
kind of thinking through.
But what we tend to think about in the social sciences today
is that sex refers to a set of biological characteristics,
and gender is a social construct or category.
What I think is often misleading about that characteristic,
then is allowed to be sort of messy and complicated.
But in that framing, when you split them up
into these holy discrete constructs studies scholars, and,
and really more specifically people
who study gender and sex,
we're not talking about sexuality right now.
I teach in the kind of, academic universe that I travel in
is that we see how deeply gendered ideas,
cultural ideas about masculinity and femininity,
maleness and femaleness,
both in humans and in lots of other animals.
So are gender and sex two different things or?
Well, I think that they, they both are, and they aren't.
I'd be, I'm comfortable saying that gender and sex
are, are two different constructs,
but they're deeply intertwined with each other. xx WHS: He doesn't understand it. Psychological gender comes from physical sex + something else. Hormones influence you in several ways, body, thinking....
We're talking about gender and, and sex,
and there's a lot of controversies there.
If we're talking about a trans woman,
has all of the male physical characteristics,
so would that not be a male then?
Couldn't, couldn't we plainly say this person is a male?
Well, well I guess it's, it's like,
why are you asking the question? xx WHS: WTF? This is about addressing people, it is also important in dating, so you need to know!
I think I, I, I wanna understand
sort of why that's so important. So if someone tells you-
- Just to sort of understand reality, you know.
Well, I mean, I think when someone tells you who they are,
you should believe them.
So if a person says that they're a woman or they're a man,
then that's them telling you their gender is.
I'm, I'm not so sure why,
what social in interactions would have to do with,
with maleness or femaleness that would be-
- Well, I, I'm not even talking about social context.
I'm just, I'm just trying to start
by getting to the truth, you know?
Yeah, I mean, I'm really uncomfortable
with that language of like getting to the truth. xx WHS: Oh my God! What a pussy! Well, that was already clear from the start (from talking and appearance), this guy is a wimp! (and NOT a truth seeker and thus a waste of time pseudo scientist)
Again in social life-- Why, why is that,
why is that uncomfortable?
Because that, it sounds actually
deeply transphobic to me, and if- xx WHS: What a piece of shit! GTFO!
- And truth-- And if you keep probing,
we're gonna stop the interview. I-- If I probe
- about what the truth is? - You keep invoking the word truth,
which is condescending and rude. xx WHS: Well, it turns out he is not just a wimp, but insane!
I'm saying to you-- How is,
how is the word truth condescending and rude?
Why don't you tell me what your truth is?
And you're walking on 30 seconds more of thin ice
before I get up.
What my truth is?
Well, I don't think I really have a truth.
I think that there's just the truth, like the reality.
And so we should begin by trying to figure out
what the reality is.
Uh-huh.
And why are you concerned with when someone else tells you
that they're a man or even if they use the word male,
why are you concerned with not believing them?
Well, you keep bringing it back to, you know,
how do you respond in a social situation, but-
- That's what I do, I'm a social scientist.
Well, right, but we're at a university.
This is a place of understanding truth, isn't it or?
Absolutely we are, we pursue the true truth. xx WHS: That is not what he said earlier!
And I'm a social scientist and that's what I do.
Well, you just said the truth is transphobic.
That, that you would say that you're,
if you're saying the truth is
that I get to say you are not a man, show me your genitalia,
that's transphobic. xx WHS: This guy is a moron, that was not implied. And even if it had been implied, he should be able to set Walsh straight with his knowledge, right? Of course he can't because he is a moron.
No, I don't wanna see anybody's genitalia. xx WHS: This guy is a moron, that was not implied. And even if it had been implied, he should be able to set Walsh straight with his knowledge, right? Of course he can't because he is a moron.
I, I, I just mean someone can make a statement xx WHS: This guy is a moron, that was not implied. And even if it had been implied, he should be able to set Walsh straight with his knowledge, right? Of course he can't because he is a moron.
about themselves that could be untrue.
Like, for example, if I,
if I were to say that I'm a black man,
could you, would you accept that or would you be skeptical?
Are you Black? Are you African American? Are you biracial?
- I don't think so. - Well you don't look that,
and I don't think that's a,
it doesn't sound like that's a genuine statement xx WHS: How do you know? And my "how do you know" is the entire point!
of who you are. xx WHS: How do you know? And my "how do you know" is the entire point!
Okay, so that's my point.
I, I could make a statement about who I am that's incorrect.
Of course, I think it's well established
- that human beings can lie yes. - Or not even lie.
I mean, I could just be mistaken. xx WHS: Aha, here Walsh comes to the same points I made years ago.
Yeah. I'm not sure where you're going. xx WHS: Where he is going is clear. Walsh has him by the balls, leading him and forcing him to look at reality.
I guess this all comes back,
just it all comes down to really one question,
especially women, gender, and sexuality studies.
So what, so what, what is a woman?
Why do you ask that question? xx WHS: You are a supposed expert, so just answer the question!
I just really like to know.
What do you think the answer to that question is? xx WHS: He is playing psychologist by not answering but asking him the same back!
Well, I'm, I'm asking,
that's why I came to a college professor
who, who's, this is your, this is what you do.
What other kinds of answers have you gotten? xx WHS: Just answer the F-ing question you wimp!
A lot of like this,
where you're, where you're not answering it,
I've gotten a lot of that so.
I think it's interesting that you,
that you say that some of the people
you've, you've interviewed have been reluctant to answer it.
And I think that has a lot to do with the way,
the questions that preceded it and the,
the way that you've conducted yourself in the interview. xx WHS: Bullshit, and even if that were the case (obviously not, other factors cause non-answers as is clear from the behaviour of people he asked), you still haven't answered the question!
How have I conducted myself?
How do you think you've conducted yourself? xx WHS: Answer the F-ing question you wimp!
You, xx WHS: Answer the F-ing question you wimp!
you just really don't wanna answer the questions do you? xx WHS: Correct. Good that Walsh doesn't oblige him and doesn't answer his meaningless question in return.
I, I came today very willing xx WHS: Correct. Good that Walsh doesn't oblige him and doesn't answer his meaningless question in return.
and, and enthusiastic about answering questions
about women's and gender sexuality studies,
- which is what I do. - You wanted,
you wanted to answer questions about women's studies,
and so shouldn't the, the first answer
you should be able to provide is what exactly as a woman?
Well, it's, for me it's,
it's actually a really simple answer,
and that's a person who identifies as a woman.
- But what are they identifying as? - As a woman. xx WHS: That is a circular answer and he is too stupid to realise it or gives that answer because he just doesn't want to go deeper into the essence.
- So what is that? - As a woman. xx WHS: That is a circular answer and he is too stupid to realise it or gives that answer because he just doesn't want to go deeper into the essence.
Do you know what a circular definition is? xx WHS; Aha, Walsh isn't fooled, obviously, but also points out that he gives a circular definition, good.
I do.
It's sort of like what you're doing right now,
where a woman is, is a woman.
Well, 'cause you are seeking
what we would call in my field of work,
an essentialist definition of gender.
I think it sounds like you would like me
to give you a set of biological or cultural characteristics
that are associated with one gender or the other. xx WHS: Whatever Walsh seeks is irrelevant, but this guy is playing the psychologist game of 'tell me how you feel'. Dude, why not tell him YOUR definition?
I'm not seeking any type of definition,
I'm just seeking a definition.
Yeah, and I gave you one. xx WHS: No, he didn't.
Well now I can say I've been to college.
Glad I didn't pay for it.
Is there anyone willing to give me a straight answer?
Ideally somebody with a bunch
of medical degrees on the wall.
Dr. Grossman, thanks for talking to us.
You're a psychiatrist medical doctor,
and you've done a lot of work in child psychiatry.
What is transgenderism from a psychiatric standpoint?
The best way to approach it
is by speaking about gender dysphoria,
which is an intense loathing and discomfort
with one's biological sex. They exist anywhere between
one in 30,000 people and one in 110,000.
It's important to distinguish those people
from what's happening much more recently,
which is kids that never had any discomfort or dysphoria
as it's now called with their biological sex.
And then quite suddenly as preteens or as, as adolescents,
they come out and they announce that they are gender fluid
or they, they start to question their sex.
So first let's define the terms sex and gender.
- Yes, please. - Sex is biology. Sex is unchanging.
It's based on chromosomes 99.999% of the cells in the body
are marked either male or female.
Gender on the other hand is a perception.
It's a feeling, it's a way of identifying,
it's a, it's an experience. Okay, that's, that's subjective.
It sounds like what you're saying
is that if a man is male,
but thinks of himself as a woman, he's not actually a woman.
That's correct. xx WHS: finally a non-bulshitter!
Male gametes, that's what makes me male. xx WHS: back to the crazy doctor with blue hair.
No, your, your sperm don't make you male.
- Then what does. - It's a constellation.
In reality, in truth, okay.
Whose truth are we talking about?
The same truth that says we're sitting in this room
- right now you and I. - No, you're not listening. xx WHS: a nutjob!
If I, if I see a chicken lying eggs
and I say that's a female chicken laying eggs,
did I assign female
or am I just observing a physical reality
that's happening in the world?
Does a chicken have gender identity?
- Does a chicken cry? - Well, a-- Does a chicken
commit suicide? Let's frame it-- What does that
- have to do with? - Because you're talking, you're trying to-
- Chicken has sex like any, like any biological organism.
A chicken has an assigned gender,
but a chicken doesn't have a gender identity.
So we assign female to chickens when they lay eggs?
That's a, that's-- We assume they're female xx WHS: we don't assume that you moron! And you are mixing up talking about sex with gender!
if they lay eggs.
Now I was told that really everyone agrees
with the current approach to gender and transitioning kids
and all of that.
And if you don't agree that you're a dinosaur and a bigot.
So are you a bigoted dinosaur?
I'm not bigoted, and I'm not a dinosaur.
I am rooted in reality and in science.
- Who's reality? - There's one reality.
Coming up girls 100 meter final.
The first race that I competed
against a transgender athlete was during my freshman year.
And once the gun went off,
the two transgender athletes took off flying
and left all of us girls in the dust.
Throughout all four years of high school
I was forced to compete against biological males.
I only competed against them in the sprinting events,
but I raced against these athletes
over a dozen times throughout the years,
and every single time I lost.
Did, did they inch you out of metals
that you would've won otherwise
or trophies you would've had?
They beat me out by 20 meters out of metals
and qualifying spots.
I missed out on qualifying for New England.
I had, and I had to go in the long jump
and the four by 200 meter relay,
so I was forced on the sidelines in my own event,
and if they were not there, I would've been able to qualify.
So I missed out on so much throughout my high school career.
Did they win all the events or almost all the events?
Between the two of them
they won every single event they competed in.
How does that, how does that feel?
It is so frustrating and heartbreaking
because we elite female athletes train so hard
to shave just fractions of a second off of our time
and going into races
knowing that we will never be able to win.
- It feels like all that work gone to waste? - It does.
After so many losses it just gets to the point
of why am I even doing this?
Why am I keep, training so hard and sacrificing so much
just to place third and beyond.
Case in Connecticut, there were two male track runners,
- trans-- They were trans girls. xx WHS: says effeminate sounding guy. - Right.
And who, who decided that they
were gonna race against the girls.
And you look at the, those individuals,
you look at their times against the men, against the boys,
so they were kind of middle of the pack.
And then they're racing the girls
and they're, you know, first and second place.
Is that indicative of some kind of unfair advantage
that those individuals might have against the girls?
No, it's not indicative of an unfair advantage. xx WHS: bzzt! yes it is.
And I think part of the proof of this
is that more transgender girls
are coming out in high school and still playing sports,
and they're not winning. xx WHS: Oh really, what were they like before transitioning? Weak last-of-the-pack effeminate guys? They would not win...
You know, the Connecticut case is the exception.
It got a lot of attention
because those two trans girls performed well,
but there are many, many-
- Yeah. - More trans girls competing
in sports and they don't excel because-
- Yeah, we could-- 'Cause at the end
of the day, whether or not you win a game
is not just, is about how hard you work in your practice, xx WHS: it is about genetics, talent, even intelligence, and added to that mix: hard work, you moron!
and most of us aren't gonna win,
and that goes for transgender athletes too.
The norm is that transgender youth
don't win that much in sports games.
Alana McLaughlin was very appreciative
for Provost to take this fight.
I don't know how appreciative it's now,
but she got a couple punches in.
It is the very much the exception
when a transgender young person does win.
- And the tap! - The tap.
And it's because there's not really
an advantage to being trans.
Only a few people are going to lead the pack.
There are some slight differences,
but does it translate to a competitive advantage?
I think you'd be very hard pressed to prove that. xx WHS: That same delusional male-woman again spouting BS!
If there was a big advantage
to being transgender in sports,
then we would see transgender women totally dominating. xx WHS: Effeminate guy needs new glasses, that is what is happening!
And over the last half of the pool,
nobody will touch Lia Thomas.
Transgender swimmer, Lia Thomas
breaking barriers and records,
but in a new article Sports Illustrated
calls the college senior
the most controversial athlete in America.
Lia obviously helps us do better, right?
Lia swimming really fast. Lia's performance helps
the University of Pennsylvania swim team.
The feeling of winning doesn't feel as good anymore
'cause it feels tainted.
There was a lot of things you couldn't talk about
that were very concerning. Like a locker room situation
if you even brought up concerns about it,
you were transphobic.
If you even bring up the fact that Lia's swimming
might not be fair, you were immediately shut down
being called a hateful person or transphobic.
But there's never any conversation?
The coaches don't sit everyone down and acknowledge
what everyone's really upset about.
So Penn actually brought in people high up
in the athletic department to talk to us.
They brought in someone from like the LGBTQ center.
They brought in someone from the psychological services.
So you're upset about what's happening and so-
- Yeah. - You need psychological help. - Yeah.
And they told us in this meeting, they said,
"Look, we understand there's an array of emotions,
but Lia's swimming is a non-negotiable."
"However we can help you make that okay
that's what we're here for."
So you're anonymous for this interview.
Why did you decide that you can't have your face out there
saying these things?
They've made it pretty clear that if you speak up about it
and you say anything negative that like your life
will be over in some way.
Like you'll be blasted all over the internet as a transphobe
if you come out and then you'll never be able to get a job.
Like anyone who wants to hire you will look you up
and see you're transphobic and your life will be over.
Let's say that I identified as a woman tomorrow
and I wanted to go into the same locker room where you are.
Should I be allowed to do that
- as long as I identify that way? - I don't know.
I just feel that other women
would be uncomfortable by you walking in there.
No.
Controversy at a health club in Koreatown
- over the issue of gender. - That's right.
Video of spa goers complaining was posted on social media.
I just wanna be clear with you.
It's okay, it's okay for a man
to go into the women's section,
show his penis around the other women,
young little girls underage, your spa, Wi Spa condone that,
is that what you're saying?
- Like I just said. - Like I asked.
Like I mentioned-
- So he, he could stay there?
You cannot just come-- He could stay there?
Sexual orientation.
What sexual orientation? I see a dick.
Police identified the person involved
as 52-year-old Darren Merager of Riverside county.
Merager who has been a registered sex offender since 2006
now faces five felony counts of indecent exposure.
Hello, I'm Congressman Mark Takano. xx WHS: and someone who doesn't directly answer questions
Trans month of visibility is a time
to recognize the strength, diversity, and resiliency
of the transgender community.
Together we can make our country and our world
a more accepting place by speaking out
against transphobia at the source,
and supporting the trans community
by getting the Equality Act signed into law.
Congressman, thank you for, for being here.
Thanks for joining us. You are the first member of Congress
who's a member of the LGBT community
and also a person of Asian descent.
You're also a big proponent of the Equality Act.
- Yes. - What is the Equality Act?
If you were to just summarize it very briefly.
I know it does a lot.
The most simplest way to talk about the Equality Act
is that it simply amends the 1964 Civil Rights Act
to include sexual orientation and gender identity.
So public accommodations is one area.
What's a way that someone whose LGBT is,
could be discriminated in public accommodations currently?
Currently, you know, public accommodations
is the whole area of, you know, hotels and motels, and.
Bathrooms, and sports teams is that?
I'd say bathrooms-- Yeah.
Sports teams, athletic events.
Let's get into more specific policy issues.
There, there are some women who say, and I've,
I've talked to a few who say this. They say, "Hey, you know,
I'd like some privacy in the bathroom."
"I'd prefer not to encounter,
you know, naked penises, frankly."
They say even that the penis is a telltale sign
that someone is a male. I mean, there, there are people
who kind of really bought into the,
to the rumor that only men have penises.
What, how do we account for that?
How do you respond to that?
Um.
Well, um,
well, what I would say is that most transgender people
that I know, um, and it's a very I think
distinct minority of people,
it's a very, it's a, it is a, it is a very
I think we're talking not about a lot of people.
Um, I think a person who wants to use a woman's bathroom
who identifies as transgender
really does think themselves as a female.
So how we go about trying to,
um, you know, respect their basic right to live. xx WHS: Say what? People live, so WTH is he talking about?
I think will be an important part of this law and um-
- With a law-- Bathrooms.
Well, wait a minute, bath, bathrooms are,
bathrooms are, you know,
where you want to take this conversation
instead of the basic right to just life xx WHS: Right to life: WTF is he saying? Again!
is something that I'm kind of mystified
that you're kind of not focusing on first. xx WHS: Why should he? Are all trans people getting killed? So shut the F up about your 'right to life'.
We're going straight to the controversy over bathrooms.
Um, so you know what I think this interview is over. xx WHS: This guy Mark Takano is a pathetic piece of shit!
Yeah, I think we're gonna wrap it there.
I think, I think this interview is over.
I just said one last question.
Uh, no, I, I, I, the interview is over.
We want to know-- Please turn off the cameras.
- What, what is a woman? - Please.
- Just turn off the cameras. - Excuse me.
So we're gonna end the interview.
If you guys could please pack up
and return the office exactly as-
- I just wanted to know-- As you found it.
- Okay, thank you. - I came all this way
- to know what-- Thank you. - They're fair questions.
I just wanted to know what is a woman.
And you're not gonna find out. xx WHS: Said the POS helper of a POS congressman.
My trip to California isn't providing many answers,
but at least I'm making new friends.
You worry about kids walking around out here?
No, because I raised two daughters.
They're two of the most well-adjusted adults.
They grew up around naked people.
And there's been studies that have shown
that children raised around non-sexual nudity
actually have fewer hangups when they're adults.
People do have hangups.
There's a lot of things hanging right now.
- Yeah. - During this conversation.
Uh, can anyone be any gender they wanna be?
Can a man become a woman if he wants to be?
I leave the, I mean, what people do
that's personal choice.
People can live the life they want to.
I, I'm trying to live the life I want to, an authentic life.
- Yeah. - And I-- I can see that. - That's why I respect
other people's rights to choose what they wanna do.
Well, why are you asking a gay man
as to what it means to be a woman?
You should be asking women what it means to be women, xx WHS: yes, in essence similar to what I said: How does anyone else really know what a woman wants, feels like and how she thinks? You can deduce a lot from appearance, behaviour, speaking but even women will probably not know to describe all their feelings.
especially trans women who, what it means to be women. xx WHS: In essence I think he is saying: They are fakers... Otherwise it means: They should know, otherwise their transition story is bogus
Well, I'm asking all kinds of people.
Can anyone have an opinion about it?
Only people who are women. Gay men don't know nothing xx WHS: Correct
about what it means to be a woman. xx WHS: Correct
Have you told gay men here in San Francisco
that they're not allowed to talk about this?
No. But I have, it's not like I come around
and say what a gay man is allowed to be.
So you're saying, so you're saying if you're not a woman,
then you shouldn't have an opinion.
Where does a guy get a right to say what a woman is?
Women only know what women are.
- Are you a cat? - No. - Can you tell me what a cat is? xxx This is also coincidentally the example I gave a friend about this topic: You don't know how a cat thinks, feels, what he/she wants etc. You know a few things, that is all.
This is actually a genuine mistake.
I am sorry I even came up here. xx WHS: Strange. This example with the cat shows exactly what he/she said about women...
Do you wanna tell us what a woman is?
If my friend in the purple hat is correct
and only women can tell me what a woman is,
I guess I need to go where the women are.
What, what is a woman? Can you tell me that?
- Uh. - Well, you're at
the women's march, you must to have some idea.
So I see girl's vagina.
Does that mean that they're the only people
who can get pregnant?
If men could get pregnant too,
I think they want the right to choose.
- Yeah. - But they, but men can get pregnant?
We're saying someone who is born as a woman,
but identifies as a man, that-- Is that a man?
- Real man. - It's a real man. - Yeah. xx WHS: No.
So they, so men can get pregnant.
Yes.
- Yes. - If they have the parts to do so. xx WHS: That is not a man but a woman
Is it just women that get birth or is it?
- Or I guess yeah. - So, so men, so men can give birth too?
Anyone with a vagina.
Well, that could be a man or a woman.
Well, I mean, I think
that's the whole point, right? That it's fluid.
The way that we define these things changes a lot.
What are you doing here?
I'm asking these questions.
- Okay. - Trying to figure out what a woman is.
That's why I'm here. And this is the women's march,
I figured this is a good place to find out.
I've come all this way to ask that question.
Can anyone tell me what a woman is?
If you're not here for women we ask you to leave!
- What is that? - He's going to harass you. xx WHS: a-hole alert!
- He's probably gonna harass you. - Am I harassing?
- I'm asking a question. - Our bodies, our choice.
- Who's body? - Our bodies, our choice.
Our bodies, our choice.
- What, what is a woman? - Our bodies-
- Can, can anyone-- Our choice, our bodies.
Here at the women's march tell me what a woman is?
Our bodies, our-- Wear a mask, wear a mask!
How about you tell me what a woman is
- and I'll put a mask on? - Wear a mask! - Sir, tell me
what a woman is and I'll put a mask on.
Asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole, asshole. xx WHS: Projection: They are talking about themselves...
Please if one person could tell me what a woman is.
Do you guys know what a woman is by any chance?
No idea. xx WHS: A problem in asking laymen any definition is that people don't use definitions to differentiate, they know from various factors (the way they dress, talk, goals in life, etc.)
I've been all over America, I still can't find an answer. xx WHS: A problem in asking laymen any definition is that people don't use definitions to differentiate, they know from various factors (the way they dress, talk, goals in life, etc.)
Maybe I'm looking too close to home.
We came a long way to come and talk to you guys.
Thousands of miles from, from America.
So thank you for inviting us into your tribe first of all.
I can say it is my pleasure to, to meet you.
And feel most welcome. But you're here to learn with me.
- I'm here to learn with you too. - Great.
What's the right form here?
It's just.
- Just with the elbow. - Yeah.
I mean, they're laughing, so I guess it's not good,
but I thought it was pretty good.
Not good enough to be a man yet in your tribe but.
What does a man do?
What, what are his roles within the tribe?
The role of a man you need to work for your woman.
Secondly to have children. If you have children
and you don't have something to feed them,
you are not still a man.
- There you go. All right. - Yeah.
- Okay. - That's the blood.
Was the best raw kid I've had in my life.
What if a man decides
that he wants to do the roles of a woman?
Uh, in Maasai community, it do not exist at all.
Doesn't exist.
What if a man decides that his,
his gender identity is, is woman?
A woman has it own duty and a man has it own duty.
And a lady cannot do the duty of a man
and a man cannot do a duty of a woman.
Can a man become a woman?
- No. - No? - No. - What about a transgender?
- What? - Transgender?
- No. - No? - It'll look like to,
if you want to become a lady but your man
- you have something wrong-- Something wrong? - In your mind.
Something wrong in your family.
Something wrong in you.
What about if someone was non-binary?
- Come again? - Non-binary. - Uh-huh.
Do you know like non, like someone is, is-
- You're not a woman, you're not a man.
Yeah, someone's like, someone is, is neither.
They're something else. Is that?
He's saying we have never seen things like those.
For a man he has a penis. For a woman has a vagina.
So we know this is a lady, this is a man.
What if it's a woman with a,
- what if it's a woman with a penis? - What?
Is that?
People are laughing.
Is that, is that a dumb question?
Uh, they're just laughing
because they have never hear something like that.
- This they're first time. Yeah. - Never heard it before?
A woman have a penis and she's a woman.
In my country, I can't go day without hearing it.
We hear it every day.
So in my country, sometimes you'll hear people say,
a man will say, I, that I'm a,
I'm a woman trapped in a man's body.
And so they say that I have a woman trapped inside me.
- They want to know a woman has the breast. - Breast, yeah.
Secondly, she has, she has a vagina.
- Vagina. - And the question is, does this man deliver?
Does he deliver babies?
No, not as far as I know.
The question is, let's say, if you want to sleep a woman,
- definitely you'll do sex. - Sex with a woman, yeah.
And you the vagina is it?
But for the man where do you?
He asked that question.
I don't know all the logistics of it.
Based on what I'm saying,
would you ever wanna move to America?
They say no, never.
What, what is a woman? If you had to give a, a definition.
She say a woman delivered.
- Yeah. - A man cannot. - So it sounds like you,
you don't spend a lot of time thinking about gender.
You don't, you just kind of live your lives.
You don't think much about it.
He said "No, because we believe that's a God plan."
God's plan.
He's saying, "That I'm shocked on what you're telling me."
- He's shocked. - Yeah.
The Maasai people don't think much about gender,
but they have a firm sense of their identity.
It's clear that gender ideology
is a uniquely Western phenomenon.
So where did all this come from?
Who came up with it and why?
Matt, I, I want, I wanna show this to you.
You're a parent, right? Okay.
"It's Perfectly Normal", for 10 years and up.
Here's just one page I want you to see here.
For 10 and up, huh?
It's it's unspeakable what these people
- have done to our children. - When, when did that start?
When was it decided that we need to start teaching kids
about this stuff at such a young age?
So I'll answer that with one word, Kinsey.
Kinsey was a social reformer.
He wanted to rid society of Judeo-Christian values
when it came to sexuality,
and he worked very hard to do that.
And I would say he succeeded.
Kinsey would be very happy with our culture today.
His idea was that children are sexual from birth.
That we're all inherently sexual creatures
from cradle to grave.
He believed that true happiness is found
in a life of perverse sexual experimentation,
no matter the age.
What came out is that his research was fraudulent.
Kinsey based, his fraudulent conclusions on data
he collected from convicted sex offenders
and child molesters.
His research was conducted in prisons, not everyday America.
He also performed horrific sexual experiments on children,
some under the age of one.
His most influential book,
"Sexual Behavior in the Human Male"
contains an infamous chart called table 34,
which documents the orgasms of very young kids,
including babies as young as five months old.
But instead of suffering the consequences
for his heinous actions,
he was and still is celebrated by academia and Hollywood.
His ideas formed the foundation for sexual education
in public schools today.
How do we get from this to you can choose your own gender?
Okay, well now we have another
and very important character, and his name was John Money.
John Money was a psychologist and professor
at Johns Hopkins University.
Gender ideology was his brain child. xx WHS: Not really, in that it would have happened anyway as a result of political correctness...
In fact, he coined the terms
gender identity and gender roles.
And according to Money, babies are gender neutral at birth xx WHS: This shows that he didn't understand the influence of biology...
and ultimately environment determines
whether a person is a man or a woman. xx WHS: complete nonsense. See 46 XY DSD athletes such as Semenya, Niyonsaba etc. who are men, misdiagnosed as girls, supposedly grew up as girls and look, act, move, talk, as men...
Money was telling the world about his theory
that a boy could be raised as a girl
and do just fine and vice versa.
And so money tried out his theory
on two young twin boys, the Reimer twins.
When the twins were eight months old
and they went to be circumcised,
the first twin, whose name was Bruce,
something went wrong with the machinery
and his penis was burnt off.
They stopped and didn't do a second circumcision
on the other twin, as you might imagine.
And the parents of course didn't know what to do.
How are they gonna raise this child?
John Money convinced Bruce's parents
to transition him into a girl.
Money also conducted sexually abusive experiments
on the twins throughout their childhood,
including forcing them to simulate sex acts on each other. xx WHS: This "John Money" from these actions looks to have been a psychopath
He reported up to the age of 10
that this was a complete success. Well, wasn't true.
The results were a disaster.
Bruce could never fully accept his female identity.
Eventually his parents told him the truth
and he chose to transition back to a boy,
taking the name David. As an adult, David spoke out
about the abuse and the damage done to him by John Money.
The girls would do their things with their Barbies
and things like that,
- and that wouldn't interest me. - Mm-hmm.
And things such as trucks, and building forts,
and, you know, get into the odd fist fight
and climbing trees, that's the kind of stuff that I liked,
but it was unacceptable. So I never-- As a girl.
As, as a girl, I had no place to, to fit in.
The trauma that he and his brother
and his entire family went through left deep scars.
His brother died of an overdose when he was 38,
and then David died, committed suicide.
There was never a retraction
or an apology from John Money,
instead his ideas were adopted by mainstream psychology
and they formed the basis of gender ideology today.
Why don't more people know
about John Money and Alfred Kinsey?
Evidently there are forces
that don't want this information out.
I, I never fit.
I was a, I was an alpha female,
a sales executive that kind of just didn't fit in any box.
When psychologists, or somebody that I was in love with,
or whatever said that I was in the wrong body,
I started to think, well, maybe I am.
I'm a biological woman that medically transitioned
to appear like a male
through synthetic hormones and surgery.
I will never be a man.
Is it transphobic for me to tell the truth?
Why is it in a couple hundred years from now
if you dug up my body,
they're gonna go, yep, that was a woman. Had babies.
Can you tell me about the procedures that you, you had?
I've had seven surgeries.
I've had one stress heart attack.
I've had a helicopter life ride with a pulmonary embolism.
I've had 17 rounds of antibiotics. I had six inches of hair
on the inside of my urethra for 17 months.
Nobody would help me,
including the doctor that did this to me,
'cause I lost my insurance.
I get infections every three to four months.
I'm probably not gonna live very long.
Was there any real discussion
of the risks and the side effects and?
No, no, there's not.
And I know that people want to think that there is,
but there's not.
The truth is, is that medical transition is experimental.
We have studies that said that medical transition
helps mental health, helps mental health with kids.
They've all been retracted, modified, changed.
But the only long-term study tells us seven to 10 years
is when transgender people are the most suicidal.
- After. - After surgery. But that's transphobic to say.
For the first time in history
a marginalized group has a huge dollar sign
on the top of their head. We have five children's hospitals
in the United States promoting that.
- What? - That's a phalloplasty. That's a bottom surgery.
We have five children's hospitals in the United States
telling girls that they can be boys at $70,000 a pop
in a surgery that has a 67% complication rate
that will kill me from infection that I can't sue on.
We're butchering a generation of children
because nobody's willing to talk about anything.
I have three kids
at the age that they're doing this to kids.
I'm not transphobic.
I love my kids and I love other people's kids.
And you should too.
This is wrong on so many levels.
Can kids consent? Do you think kids are-- No.
- Capable of consenting to this? - No, they're not.
Being a parent is loving the hell outta your kids
and helping them see around corners.
What's the, what's the youngest patient
that you've operated on?
The youngest patient I've done vaginal plasty on
- um, is age 16. - Do you worry that minors
just don't understand enough about themselves?
They're not neurologically developed enough yet
- to make permanent life altering decisions. - Absolutely not.
A young person's self-perception
one day they may be clear,
the next day they may be totally confused and not sure.
And you're affirming it with hormones
that have never been used in this way.
In the, in the field of medicine.
You're talking about puberty blockers.
Blockers, and then opposite sex hormones.
At what age does the medical transition
- begin with medication? - So medical affirmation
begins when the patient says they're ready for it.
So that could be a, a kiddo
who is just starting puberty and panicking
'cause they're getting breast buds
or their penis is getting bigger and busier,
and they're worried about all kinds of masculine changes.
And that way puberty blockers,
which are completely reversible,
and don't have permanent effects xx WHS: oh really, what about development will that continue as normal after 1-2 years or final growth will be less etc.?
are wonderful because we can put that pause on puberty.
Just like if you were to listen in music,
you put the pause on, and we stop the blockers, xx WHS: The facial expressions of this woman make me think she is retarded... or with no connection to reality
and puberty would go right back to where it was,
the next note in the song just delayed that period of time.
- You can just pause puberty. - No you can't.
And then pick it up-
- No you can't. - In the future. - No you can't.
How many studies do they have, long-term studies
on hormone blockers with children? None.
I just spoke a month or two ago
with a mother whose 14-year-old daughter
was put on blockers. They discovered after two years
this 14-year-old girl has osteoporosis.
That's something that like old women get. xx WHS: So this is exactly the thing I expected as per my previous comment: growth in those 2 years are not as normal and likely has consequences, with this girl it is osteoporosis. So puberty blockers are not a pause, as I suspected...
How can doctors assure parents
that a certain medicine is totally safe?
If based on what you're saying,
they can't possibly know that.
How can they be removing the healthy breasts
of 15-year-old girls? How can they be sterilizing kids?
How can this whole thing be happening, Matt?
Every child that they convince is, is transgender
and in need of medical transition
it generates 1.3 million to pharma.
And we're believing a pharmaceutical company, Lupron,
hormone blockers reversible so they say.
Well, the truth is that in 2003 Lupron was sued
and deemed a criminal enterprise by the US government.
They paid the most fine of any pharmaceutical company
at that time, $874 million, wrote a check.
- Is Lupron chemical castration? - Yes.
We're giving it to pedophiles aren't we?
We're giving it to people that are dying.
And we're giving it to kids telling them
that they were born in the wrong body
and it's completely safe.
One of the drugs used is Lupron, right?
- Which-- Mm-hmm. - Has actually been used
to chemically castrate sex offenders.
You know what?
I'm not sure that we should continue with this interview,
because it seems like it's going-
- Why not? - In a particular direction.
Well, you're a medical professional.
I am a medical professional. xx WHS: not really, she is a crackpot, obvious from her actions, way of talking etc.
So you don't wanna talk about the drugs
that you give to kids or?
Again, I'm a physician and I use medication.
You're choosing exploitive words, drugs I give to kids.
I'm, I'm choosing a-
- Chemical castration. - Word that was in a dictionary.
That's not a correct term for puberty blocking
- in a transgender person. - I mean I could
look it up on my phone,
but I'm pretty sure if I looked it up like-
- You, you can look it up on your phone.
It says, "Medical definition, the administration of a drug
to bring about a marked reduction of the body's production
of androgens and especially testosterone."
And I'm saying as a pediatrician
who takes care of hundreds of these kids,
when you use that terminology
you were being malignant and harmful. xx WHS: GTFO
I mean, there are some who would say
that giving chemical drugs to kids is malignant and harmful.
It's about the context of caring for a child
and, and seeing the, the suffering that kids
can have that have not been an affirmative home situations.
What do you say to the claim that,
well, we have to do this for these kids
because if we don't, they'll kill themselves,
they'll, they'll resort to drugs and self harm?
A lot of them were hurting themselves.
A lot of them were suicidal
before they even discovered gender.
That is never part of the discussion.
And they say, what would you rather
have a, a living daughter or a dead son?
If this is what the professionals are saying,
it's terrible emotional blackmail.
- Hello? - Hey, is this?
- This is yes. - Hey it's it's Matt Walsh.
Are you, where are you right now?
I'm, I'm in Vancouver, British Columbia,
Canada right now.
Are you, can, are you able to leave?
I'm not able to leave B.C.
I can't even go to another province in Canada right now.
Uh, and it's because I'm technically out on bail.
What happened exactly?
How exactly did, did this get into the courts to begin with?
Right, so what happened
is we set up a meeting with B.C. Children's Hospital
and according to the B.C. Children's Hospital website,
there's gonna be a thorough evaluation.
and I'm thinking, good. This is gonna be the end of it all.
They're gonna clearly see that my child
is not the opposite sex.
So my ex-wife brings my child into B.C. Children's hospital.
I get a call less than an hour into that appointment
that they were gonna pump her full cross-sex hormones
within the hour. And I put a halt to that. I said, no.
They agreed to, to stop for the moment.
They figured, well, let's get the dad on board too.
This is all gonna be better.
Let's just get everybody on the same page.
I said, it's not gonna happen.
So I get a letter from B.C. Children's Hospital
in December of 2018,
and it says, "That under the B.C. Infant's Act
they will start injecting my child with cross-sex hormones,
and I have two weeks to respond with legal action
if I so choose." And so that's how I ended up in court
'cause I did respond with legal action.
So you called your daughter a she,
and you, you went to jail for that?
It's considered criminal violence
to not use the preferred pronouns.
It's no different than let's say I were to take a broomstick
and whack one of my kids over the head.
So they were treating it in a similar fashion
that misgendering, mispronouning my child
was the equivalent of family violence. xx WHS: These people in Canada are insane.
Is she on the hormone pills now?
She is.
The court ordered that she could do whatever she wanted.
2010 until I would say 2016,
I would say 80% of my clients were trans youth.
Now it is you identify, you take hormones, you do surgery.
There isn't any other pathways.
So if you have two parents,
one parent wants to affirm the trans identity,
the other parent doesn't who wins that battle?
- The one who wants to affirm. - Every time?
Every single time.
The goal is to get the parents to affirm the kid.
There's no such thing as a gender affirming therapist.
- That's a contradiction in terms. - Why?
Because you don't affirm if you're a therapist.
It's not your business to affirm.
You come to see me 'cause there's something wrong.
Maybe you come to see me
because a destructive element of you
is wreaking havoc in your life.
I'm on the side of the part of you
that wants to aim up, man. That's what I'm on the side of.
Okay, now I don't know what that means in your case,
but we're gonna talk about it.
Am I gonna affirm what you think?
No, it's not up to me to affirm it.
You don't get a casual pat on the back from a therapist
for your preexisting axiomatic conclusions.
That's not therapy. That's a rubber stamp.
Is anybody at any point explaining to these kids
the, the, the real long-term consequences
of hormones and puberty blockers?
I don't think they're explaining it to the kids.
So that has frightened me,
that it's become that we're even talking to the kids
about it at 10, we're presenting it in schools.
So this generation, they're the, they're the lab rats?
Biological sex binary.
It's been binary for like a hundred million years,
longer than that.
Temperament is not binary, temperament or personality.
So that's gender. Temperament is gender?
Well, gender's not a good word,
because it's vague and it isn't measurable.
So do we need it? Why can we just say temperament?
What do we even need the word gender for?
- Well, I don't need it. - Yeah. - But what I would say
is that people who talk about the diversity and gender
are actually talking
about diversity, and personality, and temperament,
but they don't know it.
You can have a masculine temperament if you're a woman.
Maybe one in 10 women have the average temperament of a man.
And you can have feminine men temperamentally.
And it's not that uncommon, because the differences
between men and women temperamentally aren't that great.
There are masculine girls. There are feminine boys.
What are we gonna do about that? Carve them up.
You as someone who, who started your professional life,
- you know, transgender care. - Yeah.
Now you're sitting here talking to me
um, and I'm a dangerous man I've been told.
- Mm-hmm. - Are you worried about reprisals?
Are you worried about how this is gonna be,
how this is gonna play among your professional peers?
I am worried that I can't have conversations
with any other peers. I don't know any other peer
that will speak to me around these things. That question it.
I just don't think developmentally
this is helpful to our children.
You step wrong as the therapist,
you say the wrong thing once,
and like your bloody career is over.
And now it's the same with physicians.
How's that gonna work?
You're gonna go have an honest conversation
with your physician when he's terrified out of his mind
that he'll say something politically incorrect
during the diagnostic processes.
Hey man, you're sick with whatever you wanna be.
See you later. You want a prescription for something.
I left academia because the climate
had become too stifling politically,
especially when it comes to the topic of gender identity
and the science of gender
it is absolutely impossible to do good research.
You basically have to decide beforehand
what you're going to find,
so that you don't upset activists.
And that is not how you do science.
Why has this shift occurred
where all of a sudden gender and sex
have become so politically and culturally charged?
There is a really ugly history
between sex researchers and transgender activists.
In the past if any sex researcher spoke out
about science that went against activists orthodoxy,
or particular narratives that activists wanted to promote,
they would basically have their personal
and professional reputations ruined.
So what you see is that only experts who tow the party line
and say the things that activists like,
those are the people who get attention.
Those are the people who get lifted up in the media.
And also, I would say people are incentivized to go along
with the activist narratives and gender ideology,
- because that helps their career. - Trans is very cool.
Trans is a way of, of, of giving yourself value.
Given the way society at the moment is functioning.
All of the things that used to give us anchors of identity
have become very fluid or very volatile in recent years.
And into that context, I think what, what you find then is,
is new identities start to, to fill the void or the vacuum.
Whereas in the past, I might have got my sense of self-worth
from being part of the village where I grew up.
Now, I might get my sense of self-worth
through being part of the online community
that I connect with or part of the,
- the sexual identity community. - So now we are seeing kids
that are identifying as animals going to school,
and they are purring instead of answering questions
and they meow,
and the teachers are not allowed to question it
because it's considered a queer identity.
So you have kids that are going to school
- and they're saying I'm a cat. - Mm-hmm.
And the teachers have to affirm them as a cat?
Yes, so it's not-- So schools are-
- Just the young ones. - Like literal,
- literal zoos now basically. - They are.
I am a 27-year-old transgender woman.
I am a wolf therian and a member of the furry fandom.
When and how did you discover this inner wolfness?
Probably around age 10 or 11.
I was watching an anime about wolves,
and see the wolf running across the screen,
and I'm somehow just intrinsically like, oh, that's me.
Have you spent any time around biological wolves?
- Yes. - That sounds dangerous also.
What, what context are you?
So I was a volunteer with a preserve,
and I've, I've also visited many wolf preserves.
Are you able to communicate with the wolves?
Am I gonna have a conversation with the wolf
in the way that I'm communicating you and I? Obviously not.
Am I going to read their body language,
respond appropriately to their behaviors
and their nonverbal cues? Yes. xx WHS: I call bullshit on this
Would you be able, would you be able to give us
- an example of this wolf communication? - No.
- I'm not comfortable doing so. xx WHS: he can't... - Okay, all right.
How exactly have these ideas become so pervasive?
First of all, I think we need to remember
that in the West at least, we have it drilled into our minds
from childhood onwards that personal happiness
is the key to individual flourishing.
Secondly, we think of ourselves in psychological terms.
I am my feelings. And in order for me to be happy,
I have to be able to express my feelings.
I have to be outwardly
that which I feel myself to be inwardly.
Thirdly, we are taught that interfering
with somebody else's happiness is very bad.
We need to acknowledge that there are powerful lobby groups,
powerful cultural and political lobby groups
driving this thing.
Hollywood is pressing LGBTQ+ matters in so many movies.
We're seeing it in the way Amazon sets up its algorithms.
There are all kinds of factors in society
that are pushing what would really be numerically
a fairly minority interest into being one
of the main political focal points of this generation.
After my operation, I will be a woman.
Why can't she just be a lesbian?
'Cause she's not a lesbian mom. She's a boy.
Because I was born in a girl's body.
Can I ask you a question? Why don't you kiss me?
The whole idea of social contagion,
that there could be something in one social environment
that could play some role in somebody coming out,
identifying as trans,
would you say that that is definitely part of your story?
When I look back, I don't think I would've ever even
considered in seeing myself as a boy
without these social aspects.
Especially if I hadn't joined these online communities.
I identify as non-binary.
I'll officially be changing my pronouns to they/them.
My pronouns are he/him and demon/demonself.
I've been going by they/them pronouns for four years now.
- I'm pretty-- They! - Comfortable with it. - They!
- I use they/them pronouns. - There was literally a period
of a few weeks to a few months, I started out as an ally,
and then eventually I starting to identify as transgender.
- We are trans models. - So they go on the internet
and they're told that all of their problems will be solved
if they become a man.
Kids are being taught you might feel like you're a boy
even if you have a vagina and you're a girl,
you are what you feel you are.
Some people are girls, some are boys, some are both,
some are neither.
Gender is all about how we feel on the inside
and how we express ourselves.
Ah, the gender fluid teacher.
What do I go by in the classroom? I go by teacher Fambrini.
As a queer and trans teacher my agenda
is to show little boys that they don't have
to be like as stereotypically masculine.
That they can like paint their nails and wear earrings
and like still be a guy, and like it can be cool.
So you worry that there,
there could be a sort of social contagion element of this?
A teeny tiny bit, maybe.
Looking back on it was the same pattern.
Just kids who were really struggling.
Kids who were very alone and isolated.
They have anxiety.
They don't fit in with their peers.
They don't know where they belong.
Maybe they didn't have a welcoming family life.
They just got caught up in these communities online.
Then they discover, hey, there's these group of people
and they also don't fit in. They're different.
They're not sure who they are. Gee, that's where I fit in.
Today is the day before my top surgery.
I am waking up tomorrow at 5:00 am
to have a subcutaneous mastectomy.
We're telling children when they haven't fully developed
that all you have to do is medically transition
and you fit in. I was one of those kids.
It got me at 42. Your child doesn't have a chance.
Trans rights.
This is only going in one direction.
You will respect us.
As parents come to understand more about gender identity
kids are coming out at younger ages.
It's exciting. And you know, who gets it right?
Is this next generation.
The next generation who's already telling us
that our antiquated ideas of things
have to be a certain way just don't apply to them.
They're rejecting a lot of our social mores.
They're tweaking the system.
I just don't think it's realistic
to put this decision on them that is basically saying,
are you okay with the risk of permanent health effects
that you can never, ever reverse?
How can you ask that of such a small child?
I'm a physician and I use medication.
Certainly, it's a bit of a Faustian bargain.
Puberty blockers,
which are completely reversible.
You keep invoking the word truth,
which is condescending and rude.
Some women have penises, right?
Some men have vaginas.
Does a chicken cry?
Does a chicken commit suicide?
I'm not a woman, so I, I can't really answer that.
I guess because I got a dick.
Somehow this madness
has infected our entire society.
Am I the crazy one?
I'm done asking questions.
Tanner Cross is on administrative leave
for what he said about gender identity.
He said, "He would not call a student
who's transgender by their preferred pronoun."
I can't lie to children.
And, and I gotta also represent a whole community
that believes in biological facts and scientific facts.
And I just can't, I can't do that to kids.
You get into teaching because you love kids.
This policy started coming into play
and I was like, wait a minute,
It's causing me, I'm gonna have to lie to my kids.
The ones I've always wanted to protect.
Do we have assaults in our bathrooms,
in our locker rooms regularly?
To my knowledge, we don't have any records
of assaults occurring in our restroom. xx WHS: BS
My child was raped at school,
and this is what happens.
The predator transgender student is,
or person simply it does not exist.
The Virginia Department of Education says,
"It is now reviewing whether
the Loudoun County school district
has properly reported cases of sexual assault."
This comes after a 15-year-old
was charged on two separate occasions
for assaulting two different students at different schools. xx WHS: Even if it hadn't already happened, this bathroom policy is making such acts more likely to happen...
Dozens rallying tonight in Loudoun County
to protest the school's policies.
So that includes limiting who can talk
during public comment portions of board meetings.
One speaker leased property in the area
just so he could speak tonight.
Fox 5's Perris Jones is live with the details.
That's right, conservative commentator Matt Walsh told me,
"He's leasing out someone's basement in Loudoun County
so he'd be able to speak during tonight's meeting."
I decided last week to fulfill my lifelong dream
of being a, um, a Loudoun County resident.
You know, I've always felt like I've lived in Tennessee.
I felt sort of like a Virginian
trapped in a Tennessean's body.
I identify sort of state fluid, I guess.
This is Matt Walsh, he tweeted,
how do you do, fellow Virginians?
Now I just got explain to my wife and kids
that we're gonna be staying in someone's basement.
They tried to muzzle me by not allowing me to speak.
And when that didn't work,
they tried to muzzle me with a mask.
I would thank you all
for allowing me to speak to you tonight,
but you try not to allow it, yet here I am.
Now you only give us 60 seconds, so let me get to the point.
You are all child abusers.
You prey upon impressionable children and indoctrinate them
into your insane ideological cult.
A cult, which holds many fanatical views,
but none so deranged as the idea
that boys are girls and girls are boys.
By imposing this vial nonsense on students
to the point even of forcing young girls
to share locker rooms with boys,
you deprive these kids of safety and privacy,
and something more fundamental too, which is truth.
If education is not grounded in truth than it is worthless.
Worse, it is poison. You are poison. You are predators.
I can see why you tried to stop us from speaking,
you know that your ideas are indefensible.
You silence the opposing side because you have no argument.
You can only hide under your beds,
like pathetic little gutless cowards
hoping we shut up and go away. But we won't.
I promise you that.
Johnny's a boy with a big imagination.
One day, he's a dog, the next day a crustation.
Johnny's mom loves her son's make-believe time.
You're Johnny the Walrus till you change your mind.
Matt Walsh is out with a new children's book.
The book is called "Johnny the Walrus". What is this about?
It sold out on Amazon in a few hours.
So I have embraced my true calling
as a, as a children's author. Hence the cardigan.
The book is about a little boy
who's very imaginative and, and playful.
And like I have four kids and they all have an imagination.
- Yeah. - And he likes to pretend to be different things.
And one day he pretends to be a walrus.
And unfortunately, his mother
is, is very progressive and thus confused.
And so she's convinced by the internet and by society
that if your child is, is identifying as something,
then he really is that thing.
And so she tries to raise her child as a walrus,
as a sort of trans walrus, respecting his self identity.
One morning, he came downstairs barking and clapping,
wood spoons for tusks, and sock fins of flapping.
It spoons in his mouth.
He's pretending to be a walrus.
"I'm Johnny the Walrus," he said with a roar.
Johnny the Walrus.
- This is a hot topic. - Yes.
- That's a good thing, right? - Yeah, absolutely.
It's good for us to have these conversations,
so people open their minds and relearn and unlearn
to what we've been taught.
So I want this to be a safe place to talk about and learn.
As you can see, there's an ongoing evolution
of language and how people can identify.
My next guest author and conservative host
of Daily Wire's "The Matt Walsh Show"
talking about his recently published children's book
that has since been removed online
by a popular large retail chain.
Now Matt says, "Gender is not a social construct,
- but rooted firmly in biology." True? - True.
As human beings we have a sex, male or female,
that is a biological scientific fact.
Now gender is a linguistic term.
Words have gender, people don't.
You can have whatever self-perception you want,
but you can expect me to take part in that self-perception
or to take part in this kind of charade,
this theatrical production. You don't get your own pronouns,
just like you don't get your own prepositions
or your own, your own adjectives.
You know, it's like, if I were to tell you,
my adjectives are handsome and brilliant
and no matter whatever you're talking about me,
you have to describe me as handsome and brilliant
because that's how I identify.
So you think it's a delusion?
Well, this is one of the problems
with this left-wing gender ideology
is that no one who espouses it
can even tell you what these words mean.
- Like what is a woman? - Well. - Can you tell me
- what a woman is? - No, I can't.
Womanhood is something that is an umbrella term.
It includes people who-- That describes what?
- People who identify as a woman. - What is that?
What's to each their own.
Each woman, each man, each person
is gonna have a different relation
with their own gender identity and define it differently.
- That, so that's the problem. - You wanna reduce women,
you wanna reduce men down to maybe just their genetics,
- our genitals. - No. - Our chromosomes, right?
That's what you're saying.
What you do is-- That's what we are-
- What, you, what you want to do is appropriate women.
- You wanna appropriate womanhood. - Okay. - And turn it into
basically a costume that could be worn.
Joining us on stage is Dr. Suzy D'Enbeau
associate professor at Kent State University.
Dr. D'Enbeau how do you feel those who oppose using pronouns
are taking the wrong approach in this conversation?
There's the extreme approach
that you are admittedly taking.
Um, and then there's also just ordinary people
that might not be comfortable with the language change.
She began by saying that my view is extreme.
Okay, so the view that every single person on earth
has held up until 15 seconds ago is extreme.
They are conflating gender and sex because on one hand,
they say, well, you got your biological sex,
but then your gender is whatever social construct.
But then they turn around
and say that trans women are women.
So a man who, who, who identifies
with the, with the, the gender,
the social construct of womanhood actually is a woman.
Part of me wants to ask why you care so much because- xx WHS: 1) irrelevant, 2) the gender affirmists are the ones who care far more about this topic! They are the ones who force a response by people who are normal-thinking / not indoctrinated!
- Right. - It's really not that big of a deal.
Can I answer that? I care about the truth.
So, so basic truth matters.
I wanna live in a society where people-
- Okay, fine. - Care about the truth.
Um, I care about children and this, these insane ideas-
- I do too. - About gender are being,
are being foist on kids.
Um, and that, that bothers me quite a bit.
I care about the women
who are having their opportunities stolen from them.
- I care quite a bit, yeah. - I wanted us to have a safe place
to be able to talk about this.
And it seems like we should just keep the dialogue going
and, and hopefully find some middle ground. xx WHS: Next comes a statement that the people taking part complained that they were emotionally damaged by the conversation, in other words they are mentally unstable!
What do you say to parents?
A parent comes to you and says,
my eight-year-old son is telling me he's a girl.
Yeah, great.
You're gonna have him do an experimental procedure
that creates the most suicidal ideation
of any other population
seven to 10 years after, you know, transition.
And here's what I tell parents,
you don't have the right to medically transition your child.
We have no research on long-term hormone use.
We will be seeing the first generation
of long-term hormone use.
And we already know, at least with 10 years of hormones
you're giving yourself cancer.
What's your message to parents
who are trying to cope with this?
The first thing is to tell parents
that they're not alone. It is our responsibility as a parent
to be the frontline defense for our children.
And, and I know with my child,
a lot of people will say, was it worth it
'cause you now seemingly have lost your child?
And I'll say, yeah, but at least I've saved my conscience,
and my morals, and my convictions.
And when my child turns 25 and says,
Dad, where were you? I'll say I was there.
I was fighting as hard as I could.
I was not prepared to let this happen.
Does this really matter is, is another question so?
Matters for those who are getting double mastectomies
- when they're 16. - Why should we care
if we live in a society where gender is fluid?
Well, I cared because my government decided
that I had to call people by the terms that they were,
that they designated or I'd be subject to legal penalties.
It's like, no, I'm not doing that.
I don't care what your reason is.
You don't get control of my tongue.
We live in a climate now in which no one seems to care
about the safety of women and girls who are going through
a very developmentally challenging time in their lives.
They may not want to share spaces with their male peers.
I would not be surprised in a few years,
there will no longer be women's sports.
It will literally be men's sports and transgender sports.
The question being asked by the trans person
is, is a legitimate one, how can I be happy?
The answer being given by having my body transformed
to look like the other gender,
by having myself pumped full of hormones,
clearly isn't working, and we have to find a better
and the more humane way of dealing with individuals
who are struggling with gender dysphoria.
I have the utmost compassion
for people who suffer from gender dysphoria.
It's a nightmare for them and their families.
The vast majority, up to 90% of kids
if they go through a normal puberty, they're gonna be okay.
They will be at peace with their bodies,
and they will have avoided dangerous
and experimental medical interventions and surgeries.
Maybe we're up against a battle here
up against a hill that perhaps,
you know, we're not gonna necessarily win today,
but if we don't pave the way for a win,
we'll never get there.
So we're going on this journey,
boys can be girls, girls can be boys,
men can be women, women can be men.
- It makes me wonder what, what is a woman? - What is a woman?
A woman is someone who claims that is their identity. xx WHS: the fruitcake doctor again with a non-answer
It could be many things to many people.
I think the question really brings up
the, the fact that it is pretty relative, right?
That if you ask women across race, across identities,
across class, across culture,
you will get a different answer. xx WHS: No, the essence is the same everywhere except in a group of liars, confused people or insane people...
Some of it is, you know, based on biology,
some of it is based on hormones.
Some of it, it is based on what you wear xx WHS: no that is not an essence, it is a consequence of how you feel and group belonging.
and, and how you present yourself.
A woman is not anything in particular.
It's not, there's no one particular thing.
There is not one particular thing.
A woman is someone who says that she is a woman xx WHS: circular argument again, this time from the effeminate guy.
- and transitions to be a woman. - Who says that she's what?
Can you define the word woman without using the word woman?
I mean that's actually kind of like,
it's a curious question, but I. xx WHS: that is not a curious question you insufferable muppet (=the bad sociologist)! It is asking for a real definition and not a circular one!
We've been journeying across the country
asking people this question,
and almost nobody can answer it.
- What is a woman? - What is a woman?
Marry one and find out.
- Mm-hmm. - So I should go home and ask my wife, I guess.
Yeah.
Hey, I've been meaning to ask you something.
Uh-huh.
What is a woman?
An adult human female who needs help opening this? xx WHS: This is often stated as being the right answer by anti-SJWs but it is not good enough. You can make a case for some deviations such as of a genetic woman being treated as a man, e.g. Heidi Krieger -> Helmut Krieger. The reverse is btw always problematic due to esp. voice, but also facial features, behaviour. These cases should be exceptions such as that case is...
Can you provide a definition for the word woman?
- Can I provide a definition? - Mm-hmm, yeah.
- I can't. - You can't?
- Not in this-- Okay. - Context. - So you believe-
- I'm not a biologist. - The meaning of the word
woman is so unclear and controversial
that you can't give me a definition.
Senator, in my work as a judge,
what I do is I address disputes.
If there's a dispute about a definition,
people make arguments, and I look at the law-
- All right. - And I decide. - Well-- So I'm not.
The fact that you can't give me a straight answer
about something as fundamental as what a woman is
underscores the dangers of the kind of progressive education
that we are hearing about.
Just last week, an entire generation of young girls
watched as our taxpayer funded institutions,
permitted a biological man
to compete and beat a biological woman
in the NCAA swimming championships.
What message do you think this sends to girls
who aspire to compete and win in sports
at the highest levels?
Senator, I'm not sure what message that sends.
If, if you're asking me
about the legal issues related to it,
those are topics that are being hotly discussed,
- as you say, and-- Right. - Could come to the court.